Religion first or Nation first?

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Where lies your loyalty? Country First or religion first

  1. Country first

    17 vote(s)
    44.7%
  2. Religion first

    9 vote(s)
    23.7%
  3. Don't know/don't care/Neither

    12 vote(s)
    31.6%
  1. #1
    The world is full with different beliefs thus different religions. Different practice, different approach but same goal, have faith in the almighty God (or gods).
    Every religion has it's own set of beliefs, rules and social approach.

    Now the world is divided in several nations, Every nations has it own set of rules, criteria and approach. Some countries are secular while some countries are based on religion and most of the secular countries respect all religions.

    So now heres the question - What will you do if the country you live in, makes a law that contradicts any law of your religion.

    Will you put the country first or your religion first?
     
    The Webmaster, Jan 11, 2008 IP
  2. pingpong123

    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    #2
    Im catholic so i believe in christ but jesus also said to render onto ceasars what is his and give to god what is rightfully god's. I believe in separation of church and state.
     
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  3. cosmonaut

    cosmonaut Well-Known Member

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    #3
    Neither - family first I guess

    I can't wait for the day that the man-made notion of countries is a thing of the history books. And t'internet is doing a good job at making that real.

    As for religion... ha!
     
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  4. northpointaiki

    northpointaiki Guest

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    Cosmonaut - agreed. Have you read Imagined Communities, by any chance?
     
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    gauharjk Notable Member

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    #5
    I agree... The whole world is ours. Why should we limit ourselves to love only one country, when we, as humans, are brothers. :D

    I belong to this world, and the whole world belongs to me...
     
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  6. crownrahul

    crownrahul Well-Known Member

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    #6
    All the Sons of GOD, no boundaries, not any Religion, all are created by GOD
     
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    dairyman Notable Member

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    #7
    For me, nation comes first :)
     
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  8. The Webmaster

    The Webmaster IdeasOfOne

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    #8
    That would be an ideal world with no boundaries, no barriers to keeps us apart.. But in the real world, there are boundaries, borders to separate nations. So you just can't go to another countries by chanting "All the sons of God", or "The whole world belongs to me". You need to abide by the laws, otherwise you may end up in prison or deported back.

    And when it comes to law, the question arises, nation first or religion first?

    Ofcourse this question has no meaning for those, like me, who do not believe in God, thus do not believe in religion.
     
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  9. godofwriting

    godofwriting Banned

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    #9
    I'll go with the third option. I'm against both religion and territorial confinement so I don't really care. If I want to pledge allegiance to a piece of land, it'll probably be called planet Earth.
     
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  10. Kerosene

    Kerosene Alpha & Omega™ Staff

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    #10
    If it's not borders based on territory, we'll have borders based on religion. Most humans need to belong to something, whether it be a country or a religion. Personally, I think we'd be better off without them both.

    3rd option for me too.
     
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  11. The Webmaster

    The Webmaster IdeasOfOne

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    #11
    Anyone choosing third option - Are you guys okay with anyone coming to your country, legally or illegally?
     
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    northpointaiki Guest

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    #12
    Well, this isn't easy for me, because I have conflicted feelings. As a student of history, I cannot view the nation-state as anything other than a constructed community, as cosmonaut mentions above, very new to the human stage - say, the last 150-200 years ago for most western states, far less for most post-colonialist nation-states. As such, my allegiance is first to my family. This is the only unit that I believe is primordially given.

    As someone with strong emotional ties to this loose collective of people - "Americans" - I would be dishonest if I didn't say I also have strong feelings for this collective, artificially constructed or not. But "first?" No.
     
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  13. Markas

    Markas Well-Known Member

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    #13
    Don't know/don't care/Neither

    I am here to discuss about websites
     
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  14. The Webmaster

    The Webmaster IdeasOfOne

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    We don't discuss websites in P&R subforums ;)
     
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    #15
    I voted option number 3. I used be mildly nationalistic when i was young, And never religious (apart from the early years when i assumed everyone had to have a religion). But then i traveled Europe and realised not only is my country not better than anywhere else, it's also a lot less interesting.

    People should stop building fences around themselves. whether than be a fence in the form of a national border or a fence in the form of a theology.
     
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    #16
    Neither. Humanity first.
     
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  17. godofwriting

    godofwriting Banned

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    #17
    I'm ok with people coming into my country legally. Period.

    As for illegal immigrants, this is really a topic of extensive debate. From the social point of view, I'd have to say no to unlawful immigration; a person coming into my country without a visa could be a terrorist, a convict, a social menace etc so there's the danger in it. But if you actually look at it, most illegal immigrants to any country (including the USA and EU) simply go there because they would otherwise suffer a terrible fate at home. I've heard of Wal-Mart "importing" thousands of Asians illegally because they can pay them pennies per hour for quite a lot of work (don't know if it's true; I'm not American).

    Although this is really bad, those people who come in to work have little choice to make. They don't usually do it do themselves; they do it for their families. And given the corrupt nature of governments today, I'm not really one to judge the way people treat the law.

    So, I guess the answer is, "I don't know if I'm OK with illegal immigration". :D Sorry, but I just can't make up my mind.
     
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    acash Peon

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    #18
    nation 50% religion 50%
     
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    Dreads Well-Known Member

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    #19
    Your Life should be up first
    then the nation
    then the religion

    Thats my say.
     
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  20. d16man

    d16man Well-Known Member

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    #20
    depends on the situation...does choosing religion first cause you to go against the nation? Or vice versa?
     
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