Religion Bashing

With respect to each and everyone here at DP and everywhere else I still have reservations about any religion that approves child marriage, women beating, stoning of people for "sexual" sins, amputating limbs for crimes such as stealing a cell phone and etc... I find these beliefs highly uncivilized and not acceptable in modern day society.
I understand that 1bln people may disagree, but I am sure that there are another 5 bln people that will strongly agree with me.
Just recently a 16 year old girl in Turkey was barried alive by her father and brother because she befriended a man.
As a matter of fact honor killings happen almost 100% in muslim countries, half of the murders in Turkey for example are "honor" killings.
Should we respect these types of beliefs?
I am not happy to write about such things, but when we start talking about issues like these there is a chance we may help somebody of being killed over ridiculous Islamic sharia laws..... like being killed for talking to a woman.
My God is the God of Love, hopefully one day everyone will start thinking of God as the best and most loving being.

 

Absolutely agree. These are all ideas and beliefs. IMO, it does seem discriminatory to say that some are immune to criticism, and some are not.

Post that's insulting to Republican beliefs > ok
Post that's insulting to muslim religious beliefs > bad
Post that's insulting to zionist beliefs > ok
Post that's insulting to animal activist beliefs > ok
Post that's insulting to feminist beliefs > ok
Post that's insulting to Demoncrat beliefs > ok
Post that's insulting to christian religious beliefs > bad
Post that's insulting to homosexual beliefs > ok
Post that's insulting to Libertarian beliefs > ok
Post that's insulting to jewish religious beliefs > bad
Post that's insulting to American/western values beliefs > ok
Post that's insulting to human rights beliefs > ok
Post that's insulting to hindu religious beliefs > bad
Post that's insulting to flying spaghetti monster beliefs > bad?
Post that's insulting to conspiracy theory beliefs > ok
Post that's insulting to atheistic beliefs > ok

It's like saying, "You, religious people! Your beliefs and ideas are above criticism, we cannot allow anyone to say anything that you do not agree with or may upset you."..."Over there, you non-religious people, your belief and ideas are not above criticism. You do not believe in magical fairies. Anyone can feel free to criticize the things that are most important to you."

Ideas, they are all just ideas -- including religion. What we need are DP rules where everyone is treated equally and fair. Like you Chaos, I believe that simply enforcing the rules against personal attacks would be enough. Ideas though, are always perfectly legitimate to challenge. That's funny about the Hamas forum. It reminds me an Iranian news site I occasionally read -- I think it's Press TV? I'll find articles on there that are outrageously slanted, twisted, or downright incorrect. Then I'll try commenting to give my version of the truth.
They will never ever ever publish my comments, I'm totally censored off that site.

Look, I've left space above and below this sentence.

LOL

 

Thank you wisdomtool for this thread.

Politeness is too high for some creatures to have. They offer nothing but insult and attack. They destroy themselves while they feel not.

 

Right......

 

For those who complain to be offended, they really just want to be in control, it is nothing more than power and control.

When they feel that they had been offended they cry about it and call it a "religious persecution" even though the book they follow contains many derogatory words that are offensive and threatening to those that do not share their views.

This are the type of people that are offended, but ironically they seem to be allowed to express their hated views.

Power and control and that is this all about.






http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29HU3j7r9Ys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_kyNIevsIs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLVtaJ-OpV8

 

that's the nature of the politics and religion forum.

there is animosity now in religion and politics and that being brought out in this forum should not be censored unless it is completely uncalled for.

 

Isn't that the issue at the heart of censorship? As Rebbecca already pointed out, censoring threads directed at a particular religion does nothing to protect the feelings of other like minded groups of individuals, such as atheists or homosexuals. Usually, those promoting censorship direct it at speech they personally dislike, or disagree with. At the end of the day, Wisdomtool is the "power and control" on this forum, and we are here at his discretion, so he can lay down whatever set of rules he likes.

And here you strike at the heart of the issue. I doubt you will see this list, or the guidelines requested by Rebecca, ever produced. After getting a complimentary one month vacation from this forum with no other note from the mod than "you need to take a break", my inquisitive nature compelled me to find out what it was specifically that I put to print that was either in violation of forum rules, or so offensive to the mod that it deserved a one month ban.

Of course I already had my suspicions, as another post describing a certain dead religious figure as being homosexual received a 5 point infraction, but I wanted to be sure I had acquainted myself with the rules of this forum. What I discovered was that I could bash almost any religion or belief system, but any posts describing this same figure as a homosexual were promptly deleted with a 1 point infraction stating "inproper/inappropriate post".

I do find it humorous that, while a policy of censorship on anti-religious posts is being promoted, forum groups like this one, which really do nothing more than bash a particular group of people, are allowed to continue. Censor all or censor none I say.

These are the rules used by most open forums I frequent.

[Edit] Funny, I just went out to the group i linked to in this post and found this discussion thread, which is perfectly on topic:
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/group.php?do=discuss&group=&discussionid=940

 

Great post Rebecca - it does seem very much like the religious get special treatment; sadly because too many people are obsessed with being PC. >.<'

 

People talk alexispetrov - it's best just to let them spout their things hun

 

The fragile feelings of the religious generally end up being protected with censorship. Bless their little cotton socks.

Wisdomtool, alexis asked if campaigning other members to report posts with the intention of having them removed on the grounds that you disagree is against the rules. I'd also like some clarification on this because if it's allowed we would like to get started on our own campaign asap. Thanks.

The sad thing is this thread isn't about attacking religion, it's about criticising Islam. What wisdomtool is basically saying is don't criticise Islam bevause they invariably end up getting shouty and violent. This isn't a concession out of respect, it's a surrender out of fear.

What did they do wisdom? Threaten DP with another DDoS?

 

Everyone should be allowed to practice whatever religion they choose as long as it doesnt force other to join or punish other for not being a part of it.

 

Another thing, just because millions of people follow some beliefs that does not make them right.
Hitler got the support of millions of Germans to wage war against other countries, but was he and the millions of his supporters moraly right?
So is Muhammad the leader of the muslims. I AM CONVINCED THAT THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE RELIGION FROM GOD AND THAT RELIGION IS BASED ON LOVE, AND LOVE EXCLUDES FORCING OTHERS TO FOLLOW YOUR BELIEFS. And as we know in muslims countries women are forced to do many things, and many of the freedoms they deserve are taken away because of Islam.
What is the point of having a religion that does not give you basic human rights, like walking freely on the streets, going to the store without male escort and etc.?
Is that what you guys (the muslims) don't want to be discussed?

There are people around the world that will be always trying to help the oppressed women in your countries. And thanks to them you will have better lives if you accept the norms of the civilized world.