Reformist Translation of the Quran

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Rebecca, Jan 8, 2010.

  1. Rebecca

    Rebecca Prominent Member

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    #21
    New - it sound like your proselytizing, so I'll join in...

    Atheism doesn't require you to believe in imaginary friends, and allows for freedom of thought. You don't have to refer to a book from the 7th century to tell you what to think. It would save you a lot of time as well. You wouldn't have to pray 5 times a day, or go to mosque. You can live a life based on reality, and eat and drink whatever you want.

    If this sounds like what your looking for, please go here for further information.
     
    Rebecca, Jan 10, 2010 IP
  2. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    #22
    Just because you want live immoral life, doesnt mean others should join u and do sin :rolleyes: and by the way, I dont go often to mosque even though I am Muslim. Why? Bcoz it isnt required of me to do so.

    Why there are ignorant people who believes that you can live life without rules? Even traffic also need rules!
     
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  3. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #23
    Just because you are atheist, it doesn't mean that there are no rules. The difference is that religious people are following traffic rules from the time when traffic was limited to horses and camels while atheist follow the traffic rules of today. ;):D
     
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    #24
    he's taken care of, me thinks :D
     
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    stOx Notable Member

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    #25
    He knows that, It's just easier for him to lie because being honest would make his case so much more difficult to defend. That's some "morality" he has there.
     
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  6. new

    new Peon

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    #26
    a life with some check and balance is better than a lawless life
    At-least I have someone to turn to in-case of any problem i.e. Allah, I know and believe that when I pray He listens to me.


    How do you cope with the ups and downs of life?
     
    new, Jan 10, 2010 IP
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    fastreplies Banned

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    #27
    Oh, now you’re telling us that your Allah is licensed psychotherapist.

    Well, by looking at what you are posting, I think he is giving you bad advises.
    I wonder how much is he charging you for consultations?

    1. I use my own brains.
    2. Learn from my mistakes so I never repeat them again.

    :p

    fastreplies
     
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  8. Rebecca

    Rebecca Prominent Member

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    #28
    *temper tantrum*You must believe in my non-existent diety! If you don't, you're just a stupid head!! Blah, blah, blah...*temper tantrum*

    LMAO

    The interest I have in the reformist Quran is that it is somewhat less hate filled than the traditional Quran. Why don't you read the explanation in the reformist Quran verse 4:34 (about the word beat), then come back and say specifically what you object to.

    Here is an example of the 4:34 verse for a reformist or liberal muslim...

    Compare that to the traditional Quran verses...

    The reason I asked if you were Menj, is because someone told me you were. The fact that you have a blog under a different name, is not proof one way or the other. If you are indeed a woman, my message to you is that no man has the right to hit you. It's abhorrent that there have been muslim men who have used these verses to justify abusing their wife.

    Here's the intro to the reformist Quran. Reformist muslims say that it doesn't take away the word of allah, instead it takes away the prejudice of clergy.


    What makes you think an atheist/agnostic has no balance, or leads a lawless life?

    I don't believe in allah. If it makes you feel happier in life, then maybe you should. Consider though that there are people actually alive that you can turn to.

    Whatever I don't like, I try to change. It's more effective than sitting around praying about it. If I can't change it at the moment, I'll focus on something else that makes me happier.
     
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    #29
    So then they have incorrectly spoken, and even taught, about JESUS CHRIST, huh?:D
     
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    #30
    Wow. This thread has gotten vicious....

    I'd humbly like to inject a little bit of balance. The Quran is, according to Muslim belief, the inerrant word of Allah (God). However some less than well-versed Muslims extend that inerrant quality to several subsequent interpreters.

    Herein lies the crux of the problem.

    When any person questions the interpretation in the established sources (called tafsir), or even goes so far as to try to reinterpret the Quran or Sunnah (the example and sayings of Prophet Muhammad [pbuh]) they are quickly condemned.

    To the Muslims:
    I must remind my brothers that there is nothing haraam (forbidden) in reinterpretation, so long as that reinterpretation does not cause deviation from the core pillars which uphold the faith.

    For example, the word "daraba" does indeed have ALOT of different meanings and interpretations, and thus "yadribuhunna" can indeed mean many things other than to "hit them" or "beat them". As humanity matures, we not only will, but we should evolve in our understanding. This process is actually a baraka (blessing), particularly toward Muslim women who might otherwise have been forced to endure violence based on the seeming approval of that very ayah (verse).

    Remember that the last sermon of the Prophet (pbuh) concluded with "All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others and those to others again; and may the last ones understand my words better than those who listen to me directly....."

    To the Christians:
    Muslims love Jesus just as much as you do, just without the whole Son of God and worship business...


    To the person attempting to sway Muslims toward atheism:
    Why try to condemn people who have (be it right or wrong) certainty to a life of doubt? That's not only flawed logic, it's cruel.
     
    zupreme, Jan 22, 2010 IP
  11. gworld

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    #31
    Since Koran suppose to be the words of God, it seems God doesn't have a very good command of Arabic language if he can not clearly communicate what he means. ;):D
     
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