Redirect a Penalized Web?

Discussion in 'Google' started by Vebtools, Jan 28, 2010.

  1. #1
    One of my website penalized by google. I want to redirect (301 or 302) to a new web

    I just want to conform that did google penalized my new website too if i redirect my penalized website there?
     
    Vebtools, Jan 28, 2010 IP
  2. brother_of_devil

    brother_of_devil Peon

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    #2
    If your site has been penalized (by the way, how do you know that it was?), you better thinking of fixing up all the issues prohibited by Google guidelines, rather than redirecting it somewhere else while it won't help anyway as anyp pointed out.
     
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  3. webcosmo

    webcosmo Notable Member

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    I dont think it would. New website should be considered as new.
     
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    Why was you site penalised and what exactly happened when it was penalised?
     
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    #5
    Best way is make a note on a page and add a link to new page there with some autoredirect after 5 seconds and so.
    This will solve all problems.
     
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  6. eli03

    eli03 Well-Known Member

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    #6
    I totally agree, penalization cannot be transfer on any site. If this happen, this will be the easiest way to penalize competitor website. :D
     
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  7. iknowalittlebit

    iknowalittlebit Peon

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    #7
    If you redirect it, then the new site will eventually get penalized too, unless you fix whatever the problems were.
     
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  8. Vebtools

    Vebtools Well-Known Member

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    who is wrong and who is right.............. ahhh!!!
     
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  9. iknowalittlebit

    iknowalittlebit Peon

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    Well, it stands to reason that if Google penalized a site for illegal content (or whatever reason), and you simply move the site to another domain, then that site will eventually get slapped as well.
     
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  10. brother_of_devil

    brother_of_devil Peon

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    #10
    Let's separate the problem into several parts to make it easier.
    1. Your site was penalized or you think it was.
    2. You want to setup the redirect from it to another one.

    Let's first deal with 1.
    Do you have any thoughts of why could this happen? What makes you think you were penalized? Your positions have degraded? That doesn't necessarily mean you're under penalty. Please clarify this.

    Next to 2.
    You want to setup a redirect - this means you want to transfer all visitors from the old site to a new one. But according to your words your site is penalized and thus (as I suppose) you aren't receiving any traffic from Google anyway. All other traffic sources are left intact as any Google penalties won't influence them. So a redirect won't help you a bit - it won't remove the penalty from your old site (though it won't transfer to your new site either) and thus you won't return your Google traffic back to normal, while the rest of a traffic still goes to your site no matter do you have a redirection or not. Nothing will change, to say in other words.

    Also, if you don't know what was the reason of the penalty, you can't be sure your new site won't fall under it too. You really should understand what was the problem first, before trying to resolve it.

    Right.

    Not exactly. His old site remains penalized, but the new site won't get the penalty as a heritage - it is not transferred. Though the penalization of a new website MAY happen, if he repeats the steps that lead to a penalty on his old website. Until he finds out what was the problem, no solution could be suggested. That is why setting up the redirect is useless.
     
    brother_of_devil, Jan 28, 2010 IP
  11. iknowalittlebit

    iknowalittlebit Peon

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    That is what I meant :)
     
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  12. Lex350

    Lex350 Notable Member

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    Depends. If you were penalized for spam reasons for example, the new site might also suffer a penalty. I think its just worth fixing the problem.
     
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  13. longcall911

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    So now you know.... no one here truly knows the answer. We can only guess.

    My *guess* is that G has penalty programs that can look up domain name ownership records and that this would part of a larger decision tree as to whether or not the new site gets penalized. Other factors might be content similarity, navigation similarity, and so on.

    I believe G's artificial intelligence program would "test" these attributes and assign a "percent probability" that the new site is owned or controlled by the same entity as the old site.

    G would then plug that percentage into internal rule that goes something like this: If there is an 82% or higher probability that the new site is owned by the same entity as the penalized site, then assume that the new site is an attempt to escape the penalty and apply the penalty to the new site."

    If the above example is accurate, then your new site could evaluate to an 81% chance and therefore be exempt from the penalty. But just 1% higher and it would get hit with the penalty.

    Bottom line: no one will know the answer until you do it!

    /*tom*/
     
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  14. Vebtools

    Vebtools Well-Known Member

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    Thanks longcall911 and brother od devil for your replies, your replies has some value and now i am not redirecting it some where else, actually it has more than 10K backlinks thats why i am asking about redirect

    vebtools
     
    Vebtools, Jan 29, 2010 IP
  15. checkblog

    checkblog Well-Known Member

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    #15
    Well, i think yes. They will panalised new site also as you are using the redirect.
     
    checkblog, Jan 29, 2010 IP