Has this (relatively) simple experiment ever been done? I assume not (at least not thoroughly), and if so, maybe it is time it was done. http://shanegreenup.blogspot.com/2007/05/challenge-to-ye-creationists-recreating.html Challenge to YE Creationists : Recreating the Ark I want to see someone organise a demonstration, in real life, of the possibility of Noahs Ark actually happening. This is no easy feat to organise, but the organisation required is nothing compare to the fact that the realisation of it would simply be impossible, and I think that that is the main reason it hasn't been done. (infact, what does the discovery institute do with all of its money and people anyway? They should be doing these sorts of experiments to prove their theories correct!) But seriously, we have had people try to recreate the Pyramids (or at least miniaturised versions of them), and they did that with like 50 people or something instead of the hypothesised hundreds of thousands of people used to create the real ones. So I think it shouldn't be hard to demonstrate that if 1 man can build a boat, and then get all of the 'kinds' of animals on earth onto that boat, and then keep them alive for a year afloat on the ocean...then surely a squad of 50 or 100 fundamentalist christians can acheive the same feat in a few years? Read the rest of the article. has it been done? Will someone do it? make a reality TV show out of it even. I guarantee it will get tons of viewers.
If you are going to ask some thing so absurd, then i will ahve to ask you to define what you mean by Ark?
If you are going to ask some thing so absurd, then i will ahve to define that as noahs ark. Do you have any real physical evidence that can prove we are not in noahs ark right now?
Good that you did not ask us to create an universe to prove that God actually created the universe. I will start beleiving in science when it can create peace , love,harmony and free food for all. Do you know in a box of size 1 km x 1 km x 1 km how many human beings can be put ?
Science is still in its infancy and most of it will become obsolete in a few decades. Say there is no oil left in world, will there be any value of a degree in oil and petrolem engineering?
didnt it take noah like 120 years? and i dont know about you but im not going to spend anywhere near that amont of time building an ark just to prove it can be done....
Aegist is really obsessed with looking dumb. a) Noah didn't get the animals onto the Ark, God did. b) There were not nearly as many animals back then as there are now c) Noah didn't take care of the animals on the boat. God did. I don't recall Noah being told to gather food for the animals. God provided mana in the desert. I think he can handle daily food on a boat. d) God has not told anyone to build an ark so they're not going to get his help this time around And finally, They have build and tested model arks. They know it could stand up to a lot of abuse in open water. The actual shape of the Ark was more of a box. It is not very difficult to build a wooden box. So I see no reason to think someone with over 100 years to work could put together a large wooden box. Especially with God helping him out. Also Noah did not work all by himself. His family and probably friends also helped out. Aegist still can't figure out that you can't argue against the flood story by ignoring God.
Your evidence for that is? At least we can look at all of the animals listed in the Bible. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_animals_in_the_Bible Aside from the ficticious ones, the ones which are mentioned all seem very much like the animals one would expect to see today...so there doesn't seem to be too much change. Sure, lots are ommited, but what else would you expect when a book is written by a small tribe of people in only one part of the world. How would they know about Koalas and Kangaroos? Absence of evidence, is not evidence of absence. And from this list alone, we already have more than enoguh to work with anyway. " 21 Also take with you every sort of food that is eaten, and store it up; and it shall serve as food for you and for them" You aren't very good with this 'bible' of yours. You don't even know what it says. it also says: "Take with you seven pairs of all clean animals, the male and his mate;" shortly after it said "19 And of every living thing of all flesh, you shall bring two of every sort into the ark, to keep them alive with you" So you are believeing literally in a story which isn't even consistent in its own telling, AND you don't know what it even says. And you call me stupid? You are quite easily the rudest person I have ever met on a forum. Very christian of you. But if your intent is to admit that God did it with miracles, then sure, I won't even bother trying to argue against that. That is your delusion and you are welcome to it. it is the people who actually believe that this stuff happened and happened as a natural occurence which I rally against. So please, cut the attitude, it impresses no one.
I find this rather humorous. The only part of Christianity that isn't obsolete is the morals and guidelines it teaches us on how to live. However, people use religion as a scapegoat for everything in their lives. When was the last time religion given us any actual evidence of anything whatsoever? Science, on the other hand, has proven so much that religion could never have. Topics such as stem-cell research is met with considerable controversy solely because of religion. We could have furthered science far more if not for religion. Science is just in its developing stages. Say there was no more oil in the world, like you said. What would religion do? Within that time frame, science could have found another resource to use. In fact, they're already experimenting with fuel celled cars and whatnot. Religion, I find, is simply hindering society.
I would go one step further and question the morals as well. We don't follow the morals of the Bible, we follow our own inherited morals and pick the right ones out of the Bible, leaving out the bad ones. For a start we don't follow the rules set out in it. We don't stone children to death for disobeying thier parents. We don't put homosexuals to death (though there are some who think we should). We also don't make a deal about people who wear glasses taking the communion, or people wear blended material clothing breaking Gods laws.. Exodus 21:17 Speak unto Aaron, saying, Whosoever he be of thy seed in their generations that hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God. 21:18 For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, 35:2 Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death. And then there are all of the laws about slavery: http://www.evilbible.com/Slavery.htm which we blatently ignore. And as if the laws of the bible weren't enough, we only have to follow the examples set out by the characters of the bible: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/inj/long.html http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/int/long.html Even the New Testament is full of lovely moral analogies: God is like a slave-owner who beats his slaves "with many stripes." 12:46-47 So in order to get your morals from the bible, you have to be very very very specific about what verses you pick out to follow: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/good/long.html
Well apparently, the bat used to be a Bird according to Leviticus 11:13-19 and apparently Hares and Coneys chew the Cud according to Leviticus 11:5-6 And insects have four legs.... I mean, if you're going to make stuff up, couldn't you at least look at an insect to find out this minute detail?
Is aegist one of the forums undercover muslims? Seems to have the tactics of one. Oh booo hooo, Kalvin said this to you my goodness are you really that soft and weak that he can't say anything non-positive to you? And after you start threads trying (yes TRYing) to bash his beliefs. Grow up man.
Ahhh, yup sounds like he is getting his info from that muslim site like the last 50 of the bashers have...