Real way of making money on ClickBank?

Discussion in 'ClickBank' started by damianm2, Aug 19, 2007.

  1. warner444

    warner444 Member

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    #21
    has anyone else tried this to keep costs low when running adwords? You can set seperate bids for keywords in search and in content. If I have a product which has broad general interest but expensive keyword searches I put in a lot of keywords (at least a couple hundred) then bid my seach very low, like 10-20 cents. This makes most of the terms ineligable for search but google will still run all the terms in content. I did an ad for the last harry potter book as an aff for amazon for a couple weeks an got some hundreds of clicks at less than 5 cents. Amazon pays such a low percentage it was barely profitable. I tried it again with blue host and sent hundreds of clicks for around the same money but zero conversions. That makes me think the product selected is very important and generally it os probably better to send traffic to your own site than direct to the vendors link.
     
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  2. gringo

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    #22
    no but i may for a new project, got me a huge adword budget
     
    gringo, Sep 17, 2007 IP
  3. ZenSlainer

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    #25
    It's true refunds are not rare, since it's ClickBank's policy to allow refunds, and lot of people like to take advantage of this opportunity to get free materials. :-(

    Just try to promote products with low refund rates.
     
    ZenSlainer, Sep 21, 2007 IP
  4. caustictruths

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    #26
    i registered as a supplier for affiliates. i did not get one affiliate. it seems that i might not have had the right products. oh well. i guess no one wanted to be an affiliate of my products. i even offered 75% for $30 product.
     
    caustictruths, Sep 21, 2007 IP
  5. ZenSlainer

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    #27
    Affiliates are like everyone : we all like to get paid high, so it's the same with clickbank commission : They all wish to promote "high-paying commission" products.

    It can even get crucial, as an affiliate, to promote a products when he gets his audience from PPC avertising. Those affiliate persons wish to optimize their benefits to a max, so to avoid risk they tap into high-comimission products most of the time (but competition is hard there)

    I don't know what you are selling, but maybe try to :

    - Spread the word about your product on forums, related blogs

    - Build a special page for potential affiliates on your site where you can say why promoting your product is so special.

    - You can provide giveaways for every nth sales done as a reward to best affiliates (and tell that on the pre-affiliate page)! or send giveaway or gift certificates every 50 new affiliate guy promoting your stuff. (I know you don"t have any affiliate yet). Do that giveaway stuff only if you have a budget, the will and patience to handle giveaways. Otherwise affiliates would feel betrayed!

    - Maybe increasing your product price a bit can help to attract affiliates. And to justify this price increasing try adding extra material like MP3 transcription of your paper, or extra bonuses (PLR papers/softwares)
     
    ZenSlainer, Sep 22, 2007 IP
  6. Lastbutnotleast

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    #28
    Affiliate marketing is all about that indeed

    But there will always be a tough competition

    :cool:
     
    Lastbutnotleast, Sep 28, 2007 IP
  7. Lindz

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    #29
    I've been doing this for 2 years as well and over the last 3 months it's started to payoff :) article marketing is great, I find that if you build trust with your user, become a resource they want to come to.. and make sure to have an optin list.. (I use aweber.com) then market to that list. I can't belive the number of clickbank products i've sold from my list just having a targeted newseltter article and offering a product or two from clickbank.. it works wonders! oh yeah and your newsletter is free :)
     
    Lindz, Sep 28, 2007 IP
  8. pingpong123

    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    #30
    I have an seo that can get any keyword ranked, but getting a click portal is almost useless because most are clones in which thousands of other duplicate sites are out there. Is there a script that would create an seo friendly clickbank portal (or any kind of portal) that would be unique?????
    You know something that autoupdates itself and wont get penalized by the se's. I just want him to do his work and get it ranked.
     
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  9. Samo

    Samo Well-Known Member

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    Hi Damianm2

    There's good avice from homebizbuilder (and also from teckmax about focus).

    You have to follow a system. For example:

    1) write articles or pay someone to do it for you.
    You should learn to write 4 or 5 short articles per HOUR.
    30 articles is nothing.
    And use a submission tool to get mximum exposure.

    2) for every 3 articles you submit, add a "different" fresh one to your own site.

    3) drive all the traffic to your squeeze page to collect optins. DO NOT drive traffic directly to clickbank or any other affiliate product.

    View this as a life long activity and not a temporary one. You must constantly strive ot increase the size of your list.

    AND OFFER SOME FREEBIES TO ENTICE GREATER OPTINS. Make sure you ALWAYS use double-opt-ins, so you get less spam complaints.

    Did you know, you have a small gold mine already? One simple idea is to pack your 30 articles (if they are in the same niche) into 3 PDF reports of 10 articles each.

    Offer one of them to your visitors if they optin, then offer the other 2 for say $1 (AFTER THEY OPT-IN). This qualifies them as "buyers".

    Make sure your list tool software can segment your list into prospects and buyers (by product) etc.

    Another tip: use your experience of helping those other people to compile an FAQ report for your industry or a Q&A report in PDF. Just 5 or 10 pages are enough. You can offer this as an opt-in bonus or as an additional bonus to the other reports.

    Experiment and see which combinations get you the most opt-ins.

    A super-tip to increase your opt-ins is to read your articles and record the audio. Offer the MP3 audio as a download for those who subscribe.

    The key is to NOT try to sell to your visitors before you get them to opt-in. First get them to opt-in then follow up with emails that include ads.

    That way you can market to them "forever" if you provide solid info in your emails. And stats show on average people need to be exposed to your marketing message 7 times before they buy form you!

    So, if you don't collect opt-ins, you will lose 98% or more of your customers (who take a few weeks and 7 emails before they buy from you)!

    4) Make sure you use a top autoresponder like AWeber or GetResponse or EmailAces.

    Add a series of informative emails (stay with the same topic as your articles and freebies and your site of course) into your autoresponder account so they go out every 3 days or so.

    Put a little ad in each autorespoder email about a product your promoting. Rpeat the same product ad for say 3 or 4 emails before switching to a new one for a new product.

    5) Keep marketing to your list as it increases.

    Your sales success goes up as your subscriber become familiar with you and start to trust you.

    6) Approach others in your industry for interviews and cross promotions.

    This grows your list and your sales.

    DirectoryOfEzines.com is not free but gives you a ton of info. It tells you who is publishing what ezines (email marketing to their own lists), the niche, the circulation, frequency, contact details etc.

    You can then approach the appropriate contacts. While you don't have abig list, you can advertise in their ezines. When your list gets biggger, you can cross promote each other free of charge.

    7) Enage in continuous education.

    It seems your problem is not Adwards or articles etc. It is a lack of direction (focus) and lack of knowledge. So learn

    Copywriting
    Keyword research
    List Building
    Email Marketing
    Affiliate marketing

    There are plenty of free resources on the web that'll teach you all of the above. Start with EzineArticles.com and just learn the above. May be buy a few ebooks. Better still, optin to some email lists by experts in each of the above:

    Copywriting - Ray Edwards
    List Building - Mike Filsaime
    Affiliate Marketing - John Reese, Ewen Chia

    Recently Ray Edwards ran a short course (just 4 weeks) that guranteed you make $5,000 in your first month. It helped you build your system, create products on demand, market them and repeat the whole thing.

    Don't give up. If something isn't working, go learn. Forums like this can be good if you get good pointers but you will NOT get lessons here. And beware:

    Everyone has a different opinion and most people want to sell you something or just get backlinks to their sites (with silly short messages)!

    Good luck
    Samo
     
    Samo, Sep 28, 2007 IP
  10. kromit

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    #32
    That's some great advice, Samo. Thanks!

    Tom
     
    kromit, Sep 29, 2007 IP
  11. Zibblu

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    #33
    I think the problem is you are thinking of all of these things as separate ideas when really it should be one big idea all aimed at getting traffic to your website. So first things first. You build a great website or three. Then you can use PPC to send traffic to your website (not straight to clickbank)... Then you work on SEO to help get natural traffic to your website... Articles are just a part of your SEO strategy (along with getting some traffic from them.) What I'm saying is if you do things the SEO way - then everything you do builds upon itself. So instead of spinning your tires, you are really getting somewhere.

    And while you are doing things the SEO way you can also be getting traffic faster with PPC. PPC can be a great way of testing the conversion of different keywords. You can find out what works with PPC and then build your SEO around what works. When I find something that works then I go after it.
     
    Zibblu, Sep 29, 2007 IP
  12. Samo

    Samo Well-Known Member

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    #34
    You're most welcome Tom.

    It seems a lot of people are struggling with monetizing their traffic.

    I'm writing a free no-fluff report that explains the entire process, focusing on article marketing. I'll post it here in a few days time, when it is done.

    Watch this space.
    Samo
    See how a master creates income: SuperFastProfit.com
     
    Samo, Sep 30, 2007 IP
  13. razztek

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    #35
    Samo - great advice. I just started putting down on "paper" my idea for working the article marketing area and it's pretty similar to your own. I'm sure what I've come up with is nothing new and has been used by many to make money (or not), but it's something I can follow and use and so i'm gonna give it a shot!
     
    razztek, Oct 2, 2007 IP
  14. Samo

    Samo Well-Known Member

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    #36
    You're welcome Razztek.

    Article marketing works very well. The problem most people suffer from is not having a strategy and NOT FOLLOWING THROUGH all the way.

    "Testing is where 95% of the money is made" (Author: John Reese). Monitoring and testing must be a part of your strategy. There is no way to succeed without them.

    Google have a free tool called "Google Analytics". It can be used with almost any process and is NOT just for Adwords.

    Google Analytics can help you do split tests and see which headline performs better against another. Which special offer, discount, ad copy etc.

    So in article marketing, you need to test one offer in your author's bio against another. Keep the winner, replace the loser with another offer. Repeat this process just 3- 5 times and you'll find your click through rate goes up my several hundred percent compared with your original offer.

    Repeat the process 10 times and you'll have a click through rate from your bio that makes people think you are some sort of article marketing genius!

    Then you go and test your optin offer on your landing page ... then your sales letter headline and then sales letter body and then ... you get the picture.

    Look at the vast majority of all articles out there ... you will find the author's never change even the wording of their bio, let alone the offer! Reason: no strategy, just a blind faith in article writing. They've heard it works. But they've never bothered to learn HOW it works.

    I wish you every success.
    Samo.
     
    Samo, Oct 2, 2007 IP
  15. B-Scott

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    #37
    Very true. When i 1st started with clickbank i was promoting movie and tv show downloads and ended up with a lot of sales,but also a lot of refunds
     
    B-Scott, Oct 2, 2007 IP
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    #38
    I've never used clickbank but from what people on here have been saying about it I don't think I want to join. If you stop making money then they start charging you on your earnings in your account!

    Not Good!!
     
    chriswick, Oct 2, 2007 IP
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    #39
    This shouldn't really be a big matter because you can set the minimum payout as low as $10. they don't start charging you for months, so if you don't make sales in months, just lower your payout threshold and cash out. Try to find another program that will send you a $10 check.
     
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  18. Samo

    Samo Well-Known Member

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    Take a look at PayDotCom.com. It is smaller than ClickBank but hte owner is a great internet marketer and they are much much more flexible than CB. ALso I believe they don't charge you for listing your own products either. CB do it the first tiem around.

    I think PayDotCom.com also allow physical products too.

    Good luck and stay the course
    Samo
     
    Samo, Oct 2, 2007 IP