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Do you know the world's most racist country? It is israel...

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Part I - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EL3lhRBfAg
Part II - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPWIWo8-W7M

Black Israeli Voices on Obama's Victory

Ethiopian Israelis Speak

One group in Israel whose reaction to Obama's victory is of special interest is the Israeli Ethiopians. About 100,000 Jewish Israelis of Ethiopian origin now live in Israel, almost all of them arriving in the last three decades. Most of them landed in the lowest social strata and at the lower end of the employment ladder, due to a complex (and controversial) mix of their poor education and recent immigration, as well as white Israelis' prejudice against colored people, doubts cast by Jewish orthodoxy concerning their "Jewishness," and other factors.
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The day following Obama's victory, the following discussion â€“ or better: exchange â€“ took place. Reflecting much of what Ethiopian Israelis are concerned about (racism, voluntary vs. imposed seclusion, etc.), as well as the analogies and associations Obama arouses and their limits, it is reproduced here in an almost unedited translation.

A: Herzl said, "if you want, it's not a legend". Yes we can, too.

B: Of course Yes we can, too, but Obama did not segregate himself but rather connected to the American society and made it to become president. Whoever segregates himself cannot win support of all ranks of society.

C: Bravo to the Americans! How did people who had voted for Bush make such a change and elect someone like Obama?! I am really surprised that so many whites voted for him, but it's very good also for the future of the Ethiopians in Israel.

D: How can you compare the blacks in the USA to the Ethiopians in Israel? The blacks in the US might feel racism occasionally, but they are very well integrated in the society, hold high posts etc. In Israel, even seeing an Ethiopian in an exercise club seems strange. There's no similarity between the two societies. Not that I support it â€“ on the contrary. We have created this state of affairs ourselves, by thinking we are better than others. Why did we encourage Aliya in the first place?!

E: There is room for comparison, and in Israel it should even be easier. First, because in Israel there never was a situation of "slaves and masters". Second, because here there have already been precedents of people of "weaker" communities in high positions, so there's no reason why it shouldn't happen with the Ethiopian community as well. I don't see any reason why we won't see more and more Ethiopians in very high positions in Israel.

D: All you say is theoretically true, but in fact very remote from reality. Go to every town in Israel and see the complete separation between normal neighborhoods and those where Ethiopians live. The Ethiopians have been living in Israel for almost 30 years, but they still feel like newcomers. So there's still a long way to go. And as for "slaves and masters": we are the most class-oriented society of all. It's a bit naÃ¯ve of you to claim otherwise, while there's a clear division in every possible area.

F: This separation emerged out of Ethiopians' own will to live within their community, like everybody else. The problem is that it eventually harms them; had they wanted, they would have tried to assimilate into the general society.

G: You are absolutely right in what you say about the Ethiopians, and Israeli society here not being ready yet to let the black man integrate. Even the tiniest things, like going to an exercise club or walking with a dog on the street, still arouse negative feelings. Yes! A black person can just walk with a dog on the street, but it looks strange to the observer. But before we black people accuse the "whites" of their racism towards us, we should check ourselves and find out who the real racist is, and it's no secret that we hate and envy the success of others within the community, and that granting others' their success is utterly unknown among us.

C: Racism and chauvinism in Israel are much greater than in the US. Even the Americans needed more than a hundred years to elect a black president â€“ and don't forget he's mixed. Israel is one of the most racist states on earth, it would take us quite a while to see an eastern Jew as president here.
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Israeli Textbooks and Childrenâ€™s Literature Promote Racism and Hatred Toward Palestinians and Arabs

Israeli school textbooks as well as childrenâ€™s storybooks, according to recent academic studies and surveys, portray Palestinians and Arabs as â€œmurderers,â€ â€œrioters,â€ â€œsuspicious,â€ and generally backward and unproductive. Direct delegitimization and negative stereotyping of Palestinians and Arabs are the rule rather than the exception in Israeli schoolbooks.
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â€œThe early textbooks tended to describe acts of Arabs as hostile, deviant, cruel, immoral, unfair, with the intention to hurt Jews and to annihilate the State of Israel. Within this frame of reference, Arabs were delegitimized by the use of such labels as â€˜robbers,â€™ â€˜bloodthirsty,â€™ and â€˜killers,â€™â€ said Professor Bar-Tal, adding that there has been little positive revision in the curriculum over the years.
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The Life of an American Jew in Racist Marxist Israel

Israelâ€™s Racist Policies

One day, I entered a cafe in Tel Aviv. The place was crowded and I sat down on the only seat available. Also sitting at this table were 5 Sephardic Jews from Morocco. They learned that I was studying the Hebrew language, so they were helping me with my studies when a blue-eyed, Nazi-type Israeli police officer walked into the cafe.

He ordered me to â€œGet away from those Kooshim. â€˜Kooshimâ€™ in Hebrew means â€˜Niggers.â€™

I replied, â€œAfter I finish eatingâ€.

The officer drew his service revolver and said, â€œYou move now!â€

â€œYou had better listen to him,â€ the cafe owner advised. So, I got up.

Standing close to me, the officer pointed his gun right at my face and ordered, â€œThrow your coffee and pastry on the floorâ€.

With a gun pointed at me, I didnâ€™t argue, I threw the coffee and pastry on the floor.

Then he said, â€œGet out of here and donâ€™t come back.â€ Later, I learned that I was lucky. He could have arrested me if he had wished; and he could have even shot me under vague Israeli laws.
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N_F_S said: ↑

What about slaves in America? Granted, I dont know much about those times, but Im keen to find out more everytime I see an american person starts bashing a different religion, people or country.
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What about the serfs in Russia that were virtual slaves?

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And how about actual comment about thread topic? YOu know, just for a change...

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bogart said: ↑

What about the serfs in Russia that were virtual slaves?
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You missed the point, bogart. Its not a ping pong here this time, where did I say that Russia is a lovely country with no racism or communist ideology ? I do not describe my country as that. However, u do most of the times, forgetting your OWN history and bringing back other's history (like you did just now) .

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