Ranking after removing ad from co-op

We won't be 'up the sh** creek' because we're all wise and don't rely on the co-op for to succeed in our business/personal goals. Right?

 

I initially got good results with the co-op, but the update in December saw my rankings drop back to worse than pre-co-op numbers - so I decided to try without them for a while... they just continued to get worse and worse until the dropped out of existance, even allinanchor was not in the top 100. So I decided to put them back on a couple of weeks ago - still no noticable improvement...

 

Okay... maybe not up sh** creek. But definitely punished for removing the ads form the co-op as I found out recently.

As I mentioned in the previous post, I was #2-#3 solid for a year before joining co-op, after I removed the ad, the KW dropped to #15 and it’s still dropping...

 

Hopefully with the ads back, and my continual quest to get more backlinks, it will improve again... and soon.

 

Bassman,

You already had a PR6.. and then you pointed 81k weight to your index page right.. Is it possible you triggered a "Too many links too fast" filter. Do you have backlinks pointing to pages within your site to balance it with the thousands pointing to your index. Same thing hit Fryman from what I can tell.

I got friggen 600k weight! (Probably more)... but it's all distributed over about ten main internal pages... in the last BL update last week, my index page showed 5k BLs.. while half a dozen of my internals also showed 5k. Yahoo's linkdomain search shows 180k

Along with the co-op I've also been aggressively gaining PR8 and PR7 site-wides.. but I *always* point to index AND a sub-page. My rankings just keep improving.. but I'm scared to tell you the truth.

So I was just thinking... would like to know the circumstances which are leading to your dropping in the SERPS. Maybe.. shifting weight and *all* newly acquired links to a couple of subpages.. till they have the same number as your index.. will improve your situation to some extent.

 

And how has the number of pages indexed been affected. On one of my sites, mine dropped from over 8000 to 57 pages, while I have 5000 or so products. I did stop the ads from pointing to this site from another, but left the network on the site to collect the weight. I'm off to recheck my metas and titles to make sure they are still dynamically generated. Edited: As a result, for this site, my weight went from 54000 to 777 and it's a PR 4.

Right, just like we're supposed to disregard any traffic that happens to come from the high positions in the serps. C'mon now, if part of the benefit of the co-op resulted in more sales and $$$'s what is a company to do? Not grow with it? What do you offer as an alternative when you had already built in the other marketing opportunities as part of your model? Not sell to these customers? That is stupid.

 

Results are in...

Took my main keyword, turned down weight from 15 to 4...
MSN sent me down to the 5th page.

Turned weight up to 15 again
I am #5 and climbing up.

Amazing...

 

What are you on about Kepa? My point was that yes you should reap its rewards but no it should never be your one and only means of SERPs and/or traffic because that's suicidal.

 

I think it makes sense because from a search engine stand point, if you have more and more backlinks, it means you have interesting content, and it should take your web site in a the first SERP. Now, if it has less and less backlinks, then it means your content is less and less interesting, so your competitors should come first.

 

Agreed... I believe it's called "putting all of your eggs in one basket."

If a given site/business relies too heavily on a particular sales channel, the risk of implosion is always looming.

So, the business manager would have to do things to ensure that the sales channel *never* dies, or must diversify and develop other channels.

That's biz101.

 

And just to clarify, that's not at all what I did, yet google punished my site regardless... I have thousands of incoming, legitmate links google no longer seems to count once I removed most of the co-op links...

 

I'm tired of this, "putting all your eggs in one basket" argument. Yes it makes sense when talking about those who rely on the co-op as it's only marketing strategy -- that's obvious. But not everyone is like that, and it used over and over again and it's tired. Even from someone with a legitimate concern. Even when someone brings up the argumet about "damn my site fell in google and now I'm up the creek". You are all so quick to say "all your eggs in one basket, tsk tsk..."

Yes you can be up the creek and NOT rely on your co-op as your only marketing strategy. It is because of the stranglehold G has on things right now. Enough already with the "all your eggs in one basket bs", it doesn't always explain the panic that one could feel if their site were to go from #1 to oblivion, so don't keep using it as an argumet each and every time.

Geez, I'm even getting tired saying it.

I'm #1 in G and am reaping the rewards. I've had to hire 4 people in the last month to keep up with the sales. It is not my only marketing strategy and I, like many others would be stuck behind the 8 ball if I were to fall to page 100 in G. My #2 ranking in Y! and #1 ranking in MSN wouldn't keep me from having to let one or two people go. That's how many of my customers use Google.

Yes, but when the increased sales literally happen overnight, as what happened with the co-op in my case, what do you do then? Email Google and tell them, oops, I can't handle the volume, please put me back on page 5. No...you grow to accomodate. Business 101 Chapter 2. There aren't enough press releases, advertising in mags, cold calling, newsletters to make up for the traffic and sales from Google -- oh, and let's not forget exchanging links to exhaustion.

 

i had weight go from 54K to 1K due to G labeling pages as dup content ... all I can say is i'm floored how quickly rankings will be removed from you.

takes forever to get there ... but they'll yank your a** down overnight.

i've fixed my dup issue and weight is back up to almost where it was 40K ... i'll keep you posted and tell you how (if) it changes thing back.

no "eggs" reprimands please ... i have 10 domains i work on and coop was an easy way to get results on the all ... i understnad it's not a complete method.

 

How can you tell if google label your pages as duplicate content
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It seems to be such a murky issue, and a pretty fine line to decide what is and isn't duplicate content.

 

i had an example (i think) but my listings are good now and weight is back up 100%.

whew!