Questions Muslims don't like to answer

I hadn't considered the possibility that someone could derive such a question from my post. Imagine my surprise!

Heh, no! We're not talking about liberal (well, in this sense, at least) deceit on WMD. That's more than covered in another thread.

 

Well I strive to see all aspects of a post and understand the deeper connotations of whats been written, and the true underlying context.

Ohh and I see liberals are covered over there....---->>

thanks for the direction

 

Ah, I see. I knew there had to be some illogical reason for stumbling into the thread with "Hey are you refering to the prez lying outright to the US about WMD????"

 

Did you read what you posted???

Given what you posted and GWBs fitting the above to a T...I think the only thing illogical would be my trying to attempt a little humor on an mind uncapable of a bit of laughter.....

PS ...I guess you had not caught on that I find arguing over religion idiotic ....and therefore what may seem illogical in your opine..is actually a calculated method from anothers perspective

 

Ah!!! OK, now I understand. You were having a BDS moment! Now that I'm aware of your intent, I can accurately match it to the definition I made quite some time back. Jeez, who would have thought?

And now you know where the WMD are too.

I'd say it's been a good day for you

 

Isn't it obvious from where Islam originated? Here and almost everywhere else, THEY (muslims) love to slander and accuse Christians, but Christians, without being profane, only try to help bring people away from satan. Muslims do the EXACT same that satan does-slander and accuse those who love the true God. Allah is a demon, satanic, a liar, and is NOT the God of Christianity. Jesus has proven He is the true God by those who love Him-many many saints whose bodies never decay. Muslims say they have "miracles" and that there's a body of a muslim who didn't ecay, but it's rotten and no one can see it, but anyone can see saints, their bodies still as if alive. Islams bodies that didn't decay (if there really are any) are not totally decomposed for the sane reason that the Incan mummies didn't decay; satan's "miracles" which are never beautiful like God's are. The Incas sacrificed their children to false gds. The reason their bodies are in museums (not decayed) is because they had been preserved in the very cold mountains in Mexico. The koran is stupid, ridiculous, a lie, a perverted version of Judaism, and of a demon. Christians are always polite, but most muslims are just outright mean, profane, and vulgar just like satan is. Satan is the originator of the koran and (very obviously) of islam. Islam makes me sick (dirtied with thousands of demons and their lies), so I will not see the mean things you'll say to me. You've wasted your time if you say something. And what bad things you say to me or others, it's YOU and about YOU that those nasty things are about. I will not read in this topic ever again. What's the use in talking to them (muslims) they're lost already and only those who do not belong to satan will break free from his lies. They'll stay proud (just like satan was and why he fell) and fall to hell like fools, but by then it will be too late for them. So muslims and others won't go to hell is why Christians try to convert them or show them how wrong their "religion" is. It's about loving even enemies, but the koran says to love only those who convert to it. How horrible. The koran taught those terrorists to do what they do. "Christians" who do evil, are not truly Christians because their actions are against the religion, but muslim terrorists do what they do BECAUSE of their beliefs. And Islam teaches adultery. muslim men can marry more than one woman. I could say much more, but all muslims do is deny the truth and hold on to their LIES. Just because the original text of the koran exists does NOT prove it to be true. There are millions of fictional (make believe-untrue) stories in their original text. If the original text of a lie exists, that does not make it true, simply because it's the original piece of paper, whatever. If I say the sky is purple, it doesn't make it true. After all, this is the original written text-I just wrote it! By the way muslims think, then it is true that the sky is purple. You'll see when you go to hell. Your worship of a false god-"allah" is your greatest sin, so no matter how "good" you are in life, hell will be your home because you hate the God of truth, and to hate Him is to hate Heaven (His home). If it were possible for someone who hated God to enter heaven, eventually, you'd turn against Him and be a threat to everyone else, just as satan was. The only other place for you is hell. Jesus loves, but Muslims and satan, their father, only hates. It's obvious by the way you treat Christians. Christians aren't profane, they are only telling the truth, and to you that seems disrespectful because they are trying to help you see that you believe lies (the koran is a lie), but they are never mean or profane like you are. The koran is a lie and just riduculous! I'm so fed up with you mean people that you can all just go to hell, and you will (ha...ha...ha...!). Christians aren't supposed to say such things, but I said it anyway because it's true. That's all I have to say. Bye.

 

preach it bro

 

Lily10, any proof or references to what you are saying or is just a lot of anger you are showing right there. Any proof of your accusations?

 

My Muslim friend who has been sending me interesting articles just pointed out one titled Muhammad's Sword by Uri Avnery who is a former member of the Israeli Knesset and a self described Jewish Atheist. Some how I don't think we would find a more impartial writer on this subject than an Israeli who is a "Jewish Atheist".

The writing of this article is very colorful, but it does put things in a very good historical perspective in regards to how Muslims treated Jews and Christians as compared to how Christians have historically treated Jews and Muslims. I will quote a couple of paragraphs, but people should really read the entire article:

Jesus said: "You will recognize them by their fruits." The treatment of other religions by Islam must be judged by a simple test: How did the Muslim rulers behave for more than a thousand years, when they had the power to "spread the faith by the sword"?

Well, they just did not.

For many centuries, the Muslims ruled Greece. Did the Greeks become Muslims? Did anyone even try to Islamize them? On the contrary, Christian Greeks held the highest positions in the Ottoman administration. The Bulgarians, Serbs, Romanians, Hungarians and other European nations lived at one time or another under Ottoman rule and clung to their Christian faith. Nobody compelled them to become Muslims and all of them remained devoutly Christian.

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Every honest Jew who knows the history of his people cannot but feel a deep sense of gratitude to Islam, which has protected the Jews for fifty generations, while the Christian world persecuted the Jews and tried many times "by the sword" to get them to abandon their faith.

The story about "spreading the faith by the sword" is an evil legend, one of the myths that grew up in Europe during the great wars against the Muslims - the reconquista of Spain by the Christians, the Crusades and the repulsion of the Turks, who almost conquered Vienna.​

Again you can read the entire article at: http://world.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/35742


If there is one theme I am finding on this whole Islamic issue it is that the group whom we are lead to believe have the most to fear (based on what certain individuals here claim) from Muslims seem to take the most pragmatic and objective views and express little concern about Islam. Also remember that there are Muslims who are members of the Israeli Knesset. So in a country that is literally under siege by extremist elements (who happen to control at least two Muslim countries and fund terrorist groups) the concern isn't religious doctrine but the political actions of people. Yet here in the U.S. where we have much less to fear from the acts of extremists, as people aren't getting blown up on a regular basis, individuals and groups are deathly paranoid of every Muslim who walks down the street and the Islamic religion in general. This seems to be a clear indication that certain individuals and groups here in the U.S. are seriously over reacting and are not being rational. Again I will quote FDR:

"This great Nation will endure as it has endured, will revive and will prosper. So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself—nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance."​

(Listen to the speech at http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5057/)

 

Nobody is arguing that when Islam is *not* in control that things are fine. The Muslims are only violent and murderous against nonmuslims in Islamic ruled countries.

Change that fact and there will be nothing to worry about.

 

Obviously you did not read the article I referenced or the comments I quoted. Jews and Christians faired much better under Muslim rule than Jews and Muslims faired under Christian rule. Read the article. 1,000 years of history has shown that Jews were routinely persecuted by Christians and protected by Muslims.

 

KalvinB has a tendency to quote everything out of context and he hate Islam and Muslims. Don't believe me, then check all his posts. Following comments were given on his last post by someone else, in another thread. And I think he wasn't a Muslim.

 

Nor do you read what others post. You continue to post information from left wing activists, apologists and revisionists. Such is the case with Uri Avnery. In your typical misleading manner of deception, you attempt to portray him as neutral voice, not realizing you have so little knowledge on the subject that you don't even know his background.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=9948

That's the problem with apologists and revisionists. So uninterested in anything truthful, they are willing to sell their integrity with every post.

 

Incorrect. The "out of context" cliche is overused and without substance. In fact, the times that apologists do claim the "out of context" card, they are never able to put things INTO a context.

There is a difference between being aware and hatred. Portraying oneself as a victim is commonplace by crying out "hatred." Unfortunately, it just doesn't work as often as some would like.

 

Oh he do take things out of context, he take out just two words women and property from a 2000 or more words webpage. Didn't even bother what rest of the page has to say.

 

In many islamic dominated parts of the world, women are property. Would anyone actually argue against that (with a straight face)?

 

no one can argue that

 

Those two little words completely change the context of the previous thousand words.

If I were to give my wife an epic poem about how much I love her and then at the end say "to my greatest piece of property" I would in divorce court that day if possible. Because she would know that when I say I love her I mean I love her like I love a pet. That is not the kind of love you have towards your wife.

Cults train their members to confuse criticism of the religion with hatred for the members. It helps keep people from questioning the religion and when they do they're ostricized by their fellow members. It's all part of that social engineering that keeps cults together as one big happy family.

If a Muslim were ever to admit that a Mr M was wrong for saying that women are property or that they are worth half a man that would be construed as hating Muslims/Islam for criticizing the prophet.

And that kind of thinking is what keeps Islam in the dark ages. It wasn't until the Reformation that the Catholic chuch could finally be questioned and postitive changes started to happen.

 

No, but many here would defend it.

 

So when do you all stop bitching about things and work towards resolving the differences??