Questions Muslims don't like to answer

Yeah, what was the word again? Gutter rats?

 

I'm a Muslim, never heard of what you have said above can you back that up with references?

Atheist is the one who don't believe in any GOD. You are mistaking Atheist with Mushriq. Mushriqs are those who claim to be Muslim and follow Islam just to show others that they are Muslim but when they are with their own kind they plan and do evil against Islam. Mushriqs are the ones badly condemned in Islam not the Atheists.


Regards,
Waqar Ghori

 

So they want to kill me, if I'm an unbeliever?

 

No one wants to kill you . Those verses are for the WAR TIME only. At the battle ground. Read my previous posts about it.

 

Oufff...I can breathe now...
So I'm save, except in war time...

 

Many do want to kill infidels and do so daily. It is fair though, to say that "many" do not want to kill you.

Islam's goal is world domination and the only way to achieve such is to fight in the cause of allah (until there are no more unbelievers). There are no "war time" verses per se, because islam will be at war with the world until all submit.

This is covered in depth here.

 

The root problem here is the education people are getting from Islamic countries.

Muslims can claim anything they want about Islam but Islam is as Islam rules.

Until the Islam run countries in the Middle East change there is no reason to believe that Islam is a Good Thing(tm).

Millions (Billions?) of Muslims can't be wrong about what Islam really is about now can they? I'm more inclinded to think the scholars who rule Islam in more barbaric countries where apostasy warrents death have the Koran right than those in westernized countries which have laws that prevent the Koran from being used for the basis of law.

You're more inclined to get the real picture when it's not forced to conform to more civilized ideals.

 

What is being taught in those schools run by extremist fringes of Islam is indeed a problem, but never forget there are something like 1.3 billion Muslims in this world. Those getting an Islamic education in one of these schools run by extremists are a small minority of the whole.

I posted the following in the other thread on this topic I'm participating in, but I will also post it here for the benefit of this thread and those who read this thread but not the other.

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My Muslim friend just emailed another article that he felt to be relevant to dispelling the myths that certain "Christian" groups are determined to spread about Islam. The article can be found at: http://www.whyislam.org/877/Services/Literature/22.asp

This article is published by the ICNA (Islamic Circle of North America) and thus is written from a Muslim prospective, and is insightful what Muslims really believe.

Now the past modus operandi of certain individuals in this forum and Christian fundamentalists in general is to instantly claim such things like this that they do not agree with to be lies, distortions and misinformed. But this is what is claimed every time anything is posted in this forum that is counter to these individuals' beliefs even when the topic is political and not religious and I've know plenty of Christian fundamentalists who try to claim that Catholics are not Christian and instead worship idols. I've also had Baptists and other fundamentalists try to convert me because I wasn't "saved" as I didn't believe in the same denomination as they did. I'm sorry I don't put much stock in such intolerant views. No one has a monopoly on the truth.

Personally I tend to think a Muslim probably has a better understanding of their own religion than any non-Muslim, unless maybe it is a non-Muslim that has spent a lifetime studying the Koran and Islam (e.g. maybe an Islamic scholar at the Vatican or in a prestigious university).

I'll quote just one section of the article for those who care not to read the whole thing (but the whole thing should really be read):

I suspect there are some other good writings on this site, not that I intend to or suggest that people convert to Islam, just that it is important to understand what people believe about their own religion (because what they believe is how it will be practiced).


I did a Google search for "De Lacy O'Leary Islam" and once I filtered out Amazon.com via the operator -site:amazon.com I came across another article from the Islamic perspective it is published on the online news website called "Daily Muslims: The Voice of Muslim Americans" the article is: Was Islam Spread By The Sword?

I will quote a few important passages from the article:

The simple fact of the matter is that Islam took hold and spread throughout Arabia and then rest of the world because it taught peace and brought hope to the masses (like any great religion). All of the great religions are peaceful because if they weren't they would not attract new followers and would have died out before they had the chance to become a great religion. Now there are extremist elements in all religions, but if society stays focused on the extremists, those elements can be isolated and dealt with.

 

There is no such thing as "Extremist" when it comes to Islam. It's all the same, no matter what "fringe" it is.

The simple fact of the matter is that this is complete BS. I split a testicle laughing at this statement.

There is nothing "extremist" about Islam.. It is what it is. If you want to call inciting hatred and death to all non-believers "extreme", go ahead. There is not difference between the teaching of what you think is "extremist", and Islam itself. It's all the same, and pretty much always has been. One can only hope the new year will bring an end to it once and for all.

 

Religions are stupid as they are based on history and belief however there is no proof.

The proof religions do not work

Irish Vs UK

Europeans killing Europeans - idiots
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Somalia and Ethiopia

Africans killing Africans - More idiots

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Israel vs Arab nations

Arabs killing Arabs -- Even more idiots
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Who needs religions when people kill their own brothers??

Bunch of idiots fall behind ideology

 

You may be right. I'm a strong atheist and I don't want to kill anyone.

 

I'm a Christian, and I don't want to kill anyone. There are Atheists that kill others. Saying that religion it's self incites violence is a rather flawed statement in my opinion. Most of the time when religion is blamed, it's because religion is used as an excuse to hide behind.

 

Do keep in mind that while many religions have killed over the years, none have killed more than atheists... Kinda ironic.

 

What hope is there in the Middle East where Islam has gone unrestricted in it's ability to rule society?

 

Well I dont want to kill anyone myself nor do I want to see anyone killed.

There are many things to argue about however politics and religion are not included.

If I had my druthers we'd get rid of the current lot of people who run the countries of the world and find a more decentralized government where all people are treated equally worldwide. We could cast votes to what we want as a group of people with free thoughts and if we can do it here at DP as we do working together than nothings to stop the world from changing.....

All depends how badly "YOU" want to change...

You have your choice to use common sense or listen to what some "leader" tells you...

 

No religion preaches viloence.

But a handful of clerics vitilate the environment to justify their own needs.

But of late Islam has been equated with fundamentalism.
Who should be held responsible for this debacle is open to debate.

 

Communism was fun!

 

This is a very good point that will I'm afraid fall on deaf ears.

In my Google surfing I came across an interesting page of quotes (http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/quote1.html) from Western and Christian scholars on the topic of Islam. What is very interesting is that so many of these quotes were from the 1840's through 1940's but that not so many were from a later period of time. Now I would assume that the compiler of the quotes would have grabbed more modern quotes if he had found them (unless he was intentionally focusing on older writings).

I'll quote only the first few quotes on that page (people can visit the page for many others):

I really tend to think that what we are seeing in the the world is the radicalization of peoples due to political and socioeconomic causes (e.g. oppression and extreme poverty) that just happen to also be Muslim because so much of the "developing world" is predominantly Muslim.

The cause and effect of extremism and violence isn't religious in nature and those who try to pin this all on religion are burying their head in the sand and denying the real cause of extremism. We can fight wars and arrest terrorists and even execute terrorists, but until we resolve the root cause that breeds terrorism we will do nothing more than suppress terrorism for short periods of time. Ironically enough there were two radio programs on National Public Radio today on this topic.

I only caught brief parts of them as I was driving to an appointment but the first was the weekly National Press Club luncheon. The guest speaker at the luncheon today was Muhammad Yunus the Bangladeshi economist who won the Nobel Peace prize for his pioneering work with micro-credit loans to extremely poor people who have no collateral in the third world. The second program (I think it was "All Things Considered") included a visit to a slum in Kenya.

The point of both of these programs and a point that people far too often overlook is what really causes violence ISN'T religious strife, but absolute desperation and a complete sense of hopelessness from those living in abject poverty and/or living under brutal oppression. We could eliminate all religions but we will still have terrorism and violence until we truly address the root causes of poverty, oppression and the lack of basic human dignity that so much of the world lives without.

We can use every weapon in our military arsenal and spend hundreds of billions of dollars every year hunting down and killing the likes of Bin Laden, but unless we address the issue of world poverty, oppression and social injustice there will always be two or three new extremists popping up to replace every extremist that we eliminate. This doesn't mean giving in to extremists, it means eliminating the cesspool that they breed in and recruit more extremists from.

Very simply put Islam is not our enemy, abject poverty is.

One final thought for this post. I can't help but to conclude that the venom and hostility directed towards Islam and the gross misrepresentation of Islam by Christian fundamentalists is really caused by the fact that Islam is the world's fastest growing religion. I have to conclude that Christan fundamentalists are spreading these lies and distortions of Islam in a vain hope of slowing the spread of Islam, which will in all likelihood become the world's dominate religion within the next fifty years.

 

Fortunately there are people who are informed, as opposed to those who are so uninformed on the subject they cannot whitewash it with their own knowledge.

Despite islamic apologists, wolves dressed in sheeps clothing, using deceit and outright lies to whitewash the truth and endanger others, there are those who document the problems going on in the world today. Others, that will not use deceit cloaked under dhimmitude and "political correctness" to contend that wrong is right and right is wrong.

Glenn Beck documents the cruel reality taking place in our world today. Most pacifists would prefer to sweep the story under the carpet and deceive others, but their voice of surrender, pacifism and deceit cannot drown out the truth.

 

Hey are you refering to the prez lying outright to the US about WMD????