Questions Muslims don't like to answer

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  1. moq

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    #361
    KALVIN ..... read it again!

    Allah is merciful, the Holy Quran is the guiding light!

    Come back to the original religion Islam!
     
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  2. KalvinB

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    #362
    So if the war is over, the soldiers take the conquered to a safer place...hmmm. So basically they kick the conquered out of the land because it's not safe for them there anymore because staying probably means death or conversion at the hands of the barbarians (Muslims).

    That sounds like Allah alright.

    And if they surrender you let them go rather than keeping them safetly tucked away and under control so they can't return to their side and continue fighting against you.

    That sounds like something Allah would do. He's not merciful enough to ensure the enemy lives. He'd rather allow the enemy to continue fighting until they are all dead so they can't surrender and be returned to their own side.

    Meanwhile on planet earth, real merciful and intelligent countries lock away prisoners of war and take care of them. Even people touring Abu Graib commented on how well taken care of the people were. And when the country is conquered we let the people stay there because it is safe for them to stay home.

    Allah doesn't sound very merciful or intelligent to me.
     
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  3. SunLove

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    #363
    Moq ro any other muslim,
    Sorry for posting this again, but you didn't answer my questions posted on
    08/31/2006 Here

    Here are they again. I would like to hear from muslims on these questions.


    "1. Which Hadith you think is true?

    What I put is a whole case happaning. I didn't use a portion of it. It is not "out of context" sentence or meaning.

    Here it is again and you put the other relevent text you think I didn't inqlude.

    (26) Narrated Anas: Some people from 'Uraina tribe came to Medina and its climate did not suit them, so Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) allowed them to go to the herd of camels (given as Zakat) and they drank their milk and urine (as medicine) but they killed the shepherd and drove away all the camels. So Allah's Apostle sent (men) in their pursuit to catch them, and they were brought, and he had their hands and feet cut, and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron and they were left in the Harra (a stony place at Medina) biting the stones. (See Hadith No. 234, Vol. 1) (Book #24, Hadith #577)


    2. Do you believe this is true:

    ......... So Allah's Apostle sent (men) in their pursuit to catch them, and they were brought, and he had their hands and feet cut, and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron and they were left in the Harra (a stony place at Medina) biting the stones.Hadith No. 234, Vol. 1) (Book #24, Hadith #577)

    Just answer: Yes or No. And put the whole text you think is relevant. (I know those who Muhammad punished committed a crime. That is clear to me.)



    In regards to:

    Please ask them if Jesus(PBUM) is mentioned in VEDAS, UPANISHADS, PURANA'S their Holy books.

    Answer:
    God Gave different Gurus according to the people in certain areas of the Earth. For the Indians those Gurus (Maha Avatars) were best suited for them. And it is very likely Jesus was not mentioned from their Gurus and Maha Avatars.
    You know East and West are different. So are the people.


    I see often muslims saying "they took this, they took that out of context."

    Please, take out of context anything about Jesus. Use the New Testament - That Testament is associated with Jesus. (Sorry if I repeted myself, some are trying to put us "together" with using the Bible putting it under Christianity.
    sunlove
    I am ready to accept any Divine ideas better than:

    Love each other. Love your neighbor like yourself. Love your enemies.
    From any prophet, Guru, Maha Avatar."


    Ask me any question you have about Jesus' life. I'll answer you to the best of my knowledge.
     
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    #364
    Do you think Muslims are honest with non Muslims?
     
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  5. KalvinB

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    #365
    This concept of "lying for the Lord" is not only practiced by Muslims unfortunatly. Many other cults also use it to gain membership.

    I don't think Moq is technically lying. I think he genuinly has no concept of logic. Round and round his logic goes, where it stops, nobody knows.
     
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    #366
    I don't believe Muslims are ever being honest with non Muslims when discussing their religion. (unless they just repeat stuff they were taught without really understanding it)
     
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  7. SunLove

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    #367
    Love, Wisdom, and Truth are the foundation of Christianity.
     
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  8. KalvinB

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    #368
    What's really pathetic about Islam is it's constant and stupid attempts to make Mr M look better than he was.

    Where is the glorifying of David, Solomon, and Moses? Just to name a few. In the Bible we find that David committed adultery then murdered the woman's husband. Solomon was a manwhore. Moses killed an Egyptian. Hagar(?) married a prostitute who cheated on him endlessly.

    We don't hide the flaws of those who were called to lead God's people. We learn from their mistakes. That's the whole point.

    How can you learn anything about the alledged mercy of Allah when his followers lie lie lie about Mr M? Until Mr M comes clean about his sins they will not be forgiven. Obviously Mr M was not trusting in Allah's grace because he and his followers hide behind lies rather than admitting to to attrocities he committed and asking Allah to forgive him.

    Obviously Mr M felt his sins were too great for Allah to forgive.

    Moses committed murder and yet stood with Christ. Why? Because billions upon billions know his sin. He admitted to the world and to God and God forgave him.

    That's something Mr M could never do. Because Allah is a pathethic god who knows nothing of forgiveness and mercy.

    And his followers obviously know it. Otherwise they'd have no problem talking honestly about the deeds of Mr M.
     
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    #369
    So these are taken out of context? Would you mind posting the entire section they came from?


    Quote:
    5.51: O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

    Quote:
    9.123: O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).

    Quote:
    IV.89: They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper
     
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  10. Mia

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    #370
    Well, moq said he was leaving DP, but then did not. So your guess is as good as mine.
     
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  11. SunLove

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    #371


    Moq wants us to become muslims. I am not convinced for the time being Islam is for me. It is out of question for all of my friends too. I have friends that practice Yoga, but none has turned to the Quran for help and they are great people who would never cut anybody's hand for stealing as suggested in the Quran.
    Cut off (from the wrist joint) the (right) hand of the thief, male or female, as a recompense for that which they committed, a punishment by way of example from Allah. And Allah is AllPowerful, AllWise.
    ( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #38)

    My best friends would probably talk to the thief and tell him in it is not fair, nice and just to take from others without permission. They may even give the thief what he needs for free. Now this is the Divine approach.


    45 And We ordained therein for them: "Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal." But if anyone remits the retaliation by way of charity, it shall be for him an expiation. And whosoever does not judge by that which Allah has revealed, such are the Zalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers - of a lesser degree).
    Al-Maeda | 120 verses | The Table Spread سورة المائدة
    Sura #5 | Madina


    Eye for eye WAS the law before Christ.
    Jesus preached forgiveness.
    "If they hit you on the cheek turn the other cheek." (Do not hit back.) This is the new law. This is the Divine. Everyone can hit back, real easy to do. But to control your anger and show love to those that hurt you is not that easy.
    The road to Paradise is not easy.

    Do you see the BIG difference between Jesus' way and Muhammad's?

    Eye for eye, tooth for tooth is nothing new.


    Moq I don't want you to become Christian.
    If you follow the Divine ideas you'll benefit from that. Hold on to Islam if you think that helps you.
    sunlove

    I'll accept any Master equal or better than Christ.
    I'll accept any and all Divine ideas based on Love, Wisdom, and Truth.
     
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  12. KalvinB

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    #372
    "Eye for an eye" was never personal justice. It was the sentence handed down by a judge. Ghandi was ignorant. He should have talked to a Jew before spouting off that stupid quote.

    Now we have a "millions for an eye" based court system.
     
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    #373
    Ghandi was going against the UK, his pacifist ways worked with the UK. With Muslims that stuff will never work.
     
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    #374
    Anyone have a prediction on which team who is going to win the Super Bowl this year????

    Peace and one love!!!!!
     
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    #375
    The Dharma teaches that all suffering arises from attachments, particularly attachments to worldly desires.

    Nirvana is achieved by recognizing how these attachments cause us suffering, and no longer being ignorant to them.

    Maybe both the Muslims and Christians could put aside their wordly desires and find enlightenment by Nirvana????

    Nah both are too bullheaded, and believe in tomes written by other men :D
     
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    #376
    the 49'ers :p
     
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    #377
    If you really believe that as a muslim you are so fucked up. Seriously.
    Believe what you want to but just fuck off if you think murdering people is "Allah"s wish.
     
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    #378
    Generaly muslims believe what we put is true. ...... But.
    We are not open minded, and we quote out of context.

    I doubt Moq or any other muslim would answer my questions .......... with convincing logic.
    sunlove
     
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    #379
    Seahawks and Colts. SeaHawks by 17.
     
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    #380
    Mind to tell me what question??


    Edit: Is it the hadith you pasted?? Then you should ask those Sunni or Shii'te as most muslim who is not in those sects reject hadith... :)
     
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