Questions Muslims don't like to answer

"For all I know King James was a opium addict blinded by the sunlight when he thought he saw something in the clouds appear to him"

Sem... very funny stuff... Did you not realize that King James did not write the King James Version?


And to say that since I was not around when the Old Testament was written and therefore can have no opinion of it is to say there is no Beijing, or Finlay, Ohio... places I too have never been, or no American Civil War, no Ghengis Khan... this is truly one of the weakest arguments I have ever heard.

IN Christ

 

Please read this account of Mary:

MARY

(Ma′ry) [from the Heb. Miriam, possibly meaning “Rebellious”].

There are six Marys mentioned in the Bible.

1. Mary the mother of Jesus. She was the daughter of Heli, though the genealogy given by Luke lists Mary’s husband Joseph as the “son of Heli.” Says M’Clintock and Strong’s Cyclopaedia (1881, Vol. III, p. 774): “In constructing their genealogical tables, it is well known that the Jews reckoned wholly by males, rejecting, where the blood of the grandfather passed to the grandson through a daughter, the name of the daughter herself, and counting that daughter’s husband for the son of the maternal grandfather (Numb. xxvi, 33; xxvii, 4-7).” It is undoubtedly for this reason the historian Luke says that Joseph was the “son of Heli.”—Lu 3:23.

Mary was of the tribe of Judah and a descendant of David. Hence it could be said of her son Jesus that he “sprang from the seed of David according to the flesh.” (Ro 1:3) Through his adoptive father Joseph, a descendant of David, Jesus had a legal right to David’s throne, and through his mother, as the “offspring,” “seed,” and “root” of David, he held the natural hereditary right to “the throne of David his father.”—Mt 1:1-16; Lu 1:32; Ac 13:22, 23; 2Ti 2:8; Re 5:5; 22:16.

If tradition is correct, Heli’s wife, the mother of Mary, was Anna, whose sister had a daughter named Elizabeth, the mother of John the Baptizer. This tradition would make Elizabeth the cousin of Mary. That Mary was related to Elizabeth, who was “from the daughters of Aaron” of the tribe of Levi, the Scriptures themselves state. (Lu 1:5, 36) Mary’s sister, some have thought, was Salome, the wife of Zebedee, whose two sons, James and John, were numbered among Jesus’ apostles.—Mt 27:55, 56; Mr 15:40; 16:1; Joh 19:25.

Visited by Angel. About the end of 3 B.C.E., the angel Gabriel was sent by God to the virgin girl Mary in the town of Nazareth. “Good day, highly favored one, Jehovah is with you,” was the angel’s most unusual greeting. When he told her that she would conceive and give birth to a son called Jesus, Mary, who at the time was only engaged to Joseph, asked, “How is this to be, since I am having no intercourse with a man?” “Holy spirit will come upon you, and power of the Most High will overshadow you. For that reason also what is born will be called holy, God’s Son,” the angel explained. Thrilled with the prospect, yet with fitting modesty and humility, she replied: “Look! Jehovah’s slave girl! May it take place with me according to your declaration.”—Lu 1:26-38.

To strengthen her faith further for this momentous experience, Mary was told that her relative Elizabeth, in her old age, was already six months pregnant, because the miraculous power of Jehovah had removed her barrenness. Mary paid her a visit, and when she entered Elizabeth’s home the infant in Elizabeth’s womb leaped with joy, whereupon she congratulated Mary, saying: “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!” (Lu 1:36, 37, 39-45) Thereupon Mary broke forth in inspired words magnifying Jehovah for his goodness.—Lu 1:46-55.

After a visit of about three months with Elizabeth in the Judean hills, Mary returned to Nazareth. (Lu 1:56) When it came to Joseph’s notice (likely through disclosure of the matter to him by Mary) that she was pregnant, he intended to divorce her secretly rather than expose her to public shame. (Engaged persons were viewed as married, and a divorce was required to dissolve the engagement.) But Jehovah’s angel appeared, revealing to Joseph that what had been begotten in her was by holy spirit. Joseph thereupon complied with the divine instruction and took Mary as his wife, “but he had no intercourse with her until she gave birth to a son; and he called his name Jesus.”—Mt 1:18-25.

Bears Jesus in Bethlehem. As this drama continued to unfold, the decree of Caesar Augustus, compelling everyone to register in the town of his origin, proved providential in its timing, for the prophecy concerning Jesus’ birthplace had to be fulfilled. (Mic 5:2) Accordingly, Joseph took Mary, who was “heavy with child,” on the strenuous journey of about 150 km (93 mi) from their home in Nazareth in the N to Bethlehem in the S. Because there was no place for them in the lodging room, the birth of the child took place under most humble conditions, with the newborn babe being laid in a manger. This occurred probably about October 1 of the year 2 B.C.E.—Lu 2:1-7; see PICTURES, Vol. 2, p. 537; JESUS CHRIST.

After hearing the angel say: “There was born to you today a Savior, who is Christ the Lord, in David’s city,” shepherds hastened to Bethlehem and there found the sign: Mary’s babe “bound in cloth bands and lying in a manger.” They related to the happy family what the great angelic chorus had sung: “Glory in the heights above to God, and upon earth peace among men of goodwill.” So Mary “began to preserve all these sayings, drawing conclusions in her heart.”—Lu 2:8-20.

On the eighth day Mary had her son circumcised in obedience to Jehovah’s law. On the 40th day she and her husband brought the child to the temple in Jerusalem to make the prescribed offering. The Law required the sacrifice of a young ram and a young pigeon or a turtledove. If the family could not afford the sheep, two turtledoves or two young pigeons were to be offered. That Joseph was a man of poor financial means is indicated by the fact that Mary offered either “a pair of turtledoves or two young pigeons.” (Lu 2:21-24; Le 12:1-4, 6, 8) Simeon, a righteous man, upon seeing the child, praised Jehovah for having allowed him to behold the Savior before dying in his old age. Turning to Mary, he said: “Yes, a long sword will be run through the soul of you yourself,” not meaning that she would be pierced with a literal sword, but, rather, indicating the pain and suffering she would undergo in connection with her son’s foretold death on a torture stake.—Lu 2:25-35.

Returns to Nazareth. Sometime later, an angel warned Joseph of a plot by Herod the Great to kill the young child, and he instructed Joseph to flee with Jesus to Egypt. (Mt 2:1-18) After the death of Herod, the family returned and settled in Nazareth, where, during the ensuing years, Mary bore other children, at least four sons as well as daughters.—Mt 2:19-23; 13:55, 56; Mr 6:3.

Though the Law did not require women to attend, it was Mary’s custom to accompany Joseph year by year on the trek of about 150 km (93 mi) to Jerusalem for the annual Passover celebration. (Ex 23:17; 34:23) On one of these trips, in about 12 C.E., the family was returning home when, after going a day’s distance from Jerusalem, they discovered that the boy Jesus was missing. His parents immediately returned to Jerusalem to search for him. After three days they found him in the temple listening to and questioning the teachers. Mary exclaimed: “Child, why did you treat us this way? Here your father and I in mental distress have been looking for you.” Jesus replied: “Why did you have to go looking for me? Did you not know that I must be in the house of my Father?” Certainly the logical place for God’s Son to be found was the temple, where he could receive Scriptural instruction. Mary “carefully kept all these sayings in her heart.”—Lu 2:41-51.

This 12-year-old boy Jesus displayed brilliant learning for his age. “All those listening to him were in constant amazement at his understanding and his answers.” (Lu 2:47) Jesus’ knowledge and understanding of the Scriptures reflected fine parental training. Mary as well as Joseph must have been very diligent in teaching and training the child, bringing him up in “the discipline and mental-regulating of Jehovah” and cultivating in him appreciation of the custom of attending the synagogue every Sabbath.—Lu 4:16; Eph 6:4.

Respected, Loved by Jesus. After his baptism, Jesus did not show special favoritism toward Mary; he addressed her, not as “mother,” but simply as “woman.” (Joh 2:4; 19:26) This was in no sense an expression of disrespect, as might be understood from modern-day English usage. In German, for example, the word used in this way denotes madam, Mrs., lady. Mary was Jesus’ mother according to the flesh; but since his spirit-begetting at the time of his baptism, he was primarily God’s spiritual Son, his “mother” being “the Jerusalem above.” (Ga 4:26) Jesus laid emphasis on this fact when Mary and her other children on one occasion interrupted Jesus during a teaching session by asking him to come outside where they were. Jesus let it be known that really his mother and close relatives were those of his spiritual family, that spiritual matters take precedence over fleshly interests.—Mt 12:46-50; Mr 3:31-35; Lu 8:19-21.

When the wine ran out at a wedding in Cana of Galilee and Mary said to Jesus, “They have no wine,” he responded: “What have I to do with you, woman? My hour has not yet come.” (Joh 2:1-4) Jesus here used an ancient form of question that occurs eight times in the Hebrew Scriptures (Jos 22:24; Jg 11:12; 2Sa 16:10; 19:22; 1Ki 17:18; 2Ki 3:13; 2Ch 35:21; Ho 14:8) and six times in the Greek Scriptures. (Mt 8:29; Mr 1:24; 5:7; Lu 4:34; 8:28; Joh 2:4) Literally translated, the question is: “What to me and to you?” meaning, “What is there in common between me and you?” or, “What do I and you have in common?” or, “What have I to do with you?” In every instance where it is used, the question indicates an objection to the thing suggested, proposed, or suspected. Jesus, therefore, lovingly couched his gentle reproof in this form, indicating to his mother that his direction came not from her but from the Supreme Authority who had sent him. (1Co 11:3) Mary’s sensitive and humble nature was quick to catch the point and accept the correction. Stepping back and letting Jesus take the lead, she remarked to the attendants: “Whatever he tells you, do.”—Joh 2:5.

Mary was standing alongside the torture stake when Jesus was impaled. To her, Jesus was more than a beloved son, he was the Messiah, her Lord and Savior, the Son of God. Mary was apparently a widow by now. Consequently, Jesus, as the firstborn of Joseph’s household, discharged his responsibility by asking the apostle John, likely his cousin, to take Mary to his home and look after her as his own mother. (Joh 19:26, 27) Why did Jesus not entrust her to one of his own half brothers? It is not stated that any of them were present. Furthermore, they were not yet believers, and Jesus considered the spiritual relationship more important than the fleshly.—Joh 7:5; Mt 12:46-50.

A Faithful Disciple. The last Biblical notice of Mary shows her to be a woman of faith and devotion still closely associated with other faithful ones after the ascension of Jesus. The 11 apostles, Mary, and others were assembled in an upper chamber, and “with one accord all these were persisting in prayer.”—Ac 1:13, 14.

2. Mary the sister of Martha and Lazarus. At Bethany, about 2 Roman miles (2.8 km; 1.7 mi) from the Temple Mount in Jerusalem and on the E slope of the Mount of Olives, Jesus visited the home of these friends for whom he had special affection. (Joh 11:18) During a visit by Jesus in the third year of his ministry, Martha, in her determination to be a good hostess, was overly concerned for Jesus’ physical comfort. Mary, on the other hand, showed a different kind of hospitality. She “sat down at the feet of the Lord and kept listening to his word.” When Martha complained because her sister was not helping, Jesus commended Mary, saying, “For her part, Mary chose the good portion, and it will not be taken away from her.”—Lu 10:38-42.

Sees Lazarus Resurrected. A few months after the aforementioned visit to the home, Lazarus became sick, near to death. So Mary and Martha sent word to Jesus, who was probably somewhere E of the Jordan in Perea. However, by the time Jesus arrived, Lazarus had been dead four days. With the news of Jesus’ coming, Martha quickly went to greet him, while Mary “kept sitting at home.” Not until Martha returned from the outskirts of the village and whispered to her grief-stricken sister, “The Teacher is present and is calling you,” did Mary hasten out to meet him. At his feet she sobbed, “Lord, if you had been here, my brother would not have died.” She used exactly the same words as those spoken by her sister when Martha first went to meet Jesus. On seeing Mary’s tears and those of the Jews with her, the Master was moved to groan and weep. After Jesus performed the stupendous miracle of raising Lazarus from the dead, “many of the Jews that had come to Mary [to comfort her] . . . put faith in him.”—Joh 11:1-45.

Anoints Jesus With Oil. Five days before Jesus’ last Passover, he and his disciples were guests again in Bethany, this time at the home of Simon the leper, where Mary and her family also were. Martha was serving the evening meal; Mary again gave her attention to the Son of God. As Jesus was reclining, Mary “took a pound of perfumed oil, genuine nard, very costly” (worth about a year’s wages) and poured it on his head and feet. Not generally appreciated at the time, this act done out of love and regard for Jesus in reality signified the preparation for Jesus’ death and burial so near at hand. As before, Mary’s expression of love was criticized by others, and as before, her love and devotion were defended and greatly appreciated by Jesus. “Wherever this good news is preached in all the world,” he declared, “what this woman did shall also be told as a remembrance of her.”—Mt 26:6-13; Mr 14:3-9; Joh 12:1-8.

The above incident, Mary’s anointing of Jesus, as reported by Matthew, Mark, and John, should not be confused with the anointing mentioned in Luke 7:36-50. The two events have some similarities, yet there are differences. The earlier event, reported by Luke, took place in the northern district of Galilee; the later, in the south at Bethany in Judea. The earlier was in the home of a Pharisee; the later, in that of Simon the leper. The earlier anointing was by an unnamed woman publicly known to be “a sinner,” probably a prostitute; the later was by Martha’s sister Mary. There was also more than a year’s difference in time between the two events.

Some critics complain that John contradicts Matthew and Mark in saying the perfume was poured on Jesus’ feet rather than on his head. (Mt 26:7; Mr 14:3; Joh 12:3) Commenting on Matthew 26:7, Albert Barnes says: “There is, however, no contradiction. She probably poured it both on his head and his feet. Matthew and Mark having recorded the former, John, who wrote his gospel in part to record events omitted by them, relates that the ointment was also poured on the feet of the Saviour. To pour ointment on the head was common. To pour it on the feet was an act of distinguished humility and attachment to the Saviour, and therefore deserved to be particularly recorded.”—Barnes’ Notes on the New Testament, 1974.

3. Mary Magdalene. Her distinguishing name (meaning “Of (Belonging to) Magdala”) likely stems from the town of Magdala (see MAGADAN) on the western shore of the Sea of Galilee about halfway between Capernaum and Tiberias. There is no record of Jesus’ ever visiting this town, though he spent a great deal of time in the surrounding area. Nor is it certain that it was Mary’s hometown or place of residence. Since Luke refers to her as “Mary the so-called Magdalene,” some think he implies something special or peculiar.—Lu 8:2.

Jesus expelled seven demons from Mary Magdalene, reason enough for her to put faith in him as the Messiah and for her to back up such faith with outstanding works of devotion and service. She is first mentioned in the account of Jesus’ second year of preaching, when he and his apostles were “journeying from city to city and from village to village, preaching and declaring the good news of the kingdom of God.” Together with Joanna the wife of Herod’s man in charge, Susanna, and other women, Mary Magdalene continued ministering to the needs of Jesus and his apostles out of her own belongings.—Lu 8:1-3.

The most prominent notice of Mary Magdalene is in connection with the death and resurrection of Jesus. When Jesus, as the Lamb of God, was led to the slaughter, she was among the women “who had accompanied Jesus from Galilee to minister to him” and were “viewing from a distance” as Jesus hung on the torture stake. In her company were Jesus’ mother Mary, Salome, and also “the other Mary” (No. 4).—Mt 27:55, 56, 61; Mr 15:40; Joh 19:25.

After Jesus’ burial, Mary Magdalene and other women went to prepare spices and perfumed oil before the Sabbath began at sundown. Then following the Sabbath, at the break of dawn, on the first day of the week, Mary and the other women brought the perfumed oil to the tomb. (Mt 28:1; Mr 15:47; 16:1, 2; Lu 23:55, 56; 24:1) When Mary saw the tomb was open and apparently empty, she rushed off to tell the startling news to Peter and John, who ran to the tomb. (Joh 20:1-4) By the time Mary got back to the tomb, Peter and John had left, and it was now that she checked inside and was stunned at seeing two angels in white. Then she turned back and saw Jesus standing. Thinking him to be the gardener, she asked where the body was, that she might care for it. When he replied “Mary!” his identity was immediately revealed to her and she impulsively embraced him, exclaiming, “Rab·bo′ni!” But there was no time now for expressions of earthly affection. Jesus would be with them only a short time. Mary must hasten to inform the other disciples of his resurrection and that Jesus was ascending, as he said, “to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.”—Joh 20:11-18.

 

I think you're not sincere in asking question, or else you would paste the whole thing instead of just copying a sentence or two and make it look bad...Anyway, to answer the first question, let me put the whole thing together:


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PICKTHAL: They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,

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PICKTHAL: Except those who seek refuge with a people between whom and you there is a covenant, or (those who) come unto you because their hearts forbid them to make war on you or make war on their own folk. Had Allah willed He could have given them power over you so that assuredly they would have fought you. So, if they hold aloof from you and wage not war against you and offer you peace, Allah alloweth you no way against them.

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PICKTHAL: Ye will find others who desire that they should have security from you, and security from their own folk. So often as they are returned to hostility they are plunged therein. If they keep not aloof from you nor offer you peace nor hold their hands, then take them and kill them wherever ye find them. Against such We have given you clear warrant.

Anyway, the above clearly talking about something related to "war", and in the translation above, the author interpreted it as "friend" which is not accurate, you can read this discussion here to see why:

http://www.free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=2384.msg30374#msg30374

2. I personally don't follow hadith, and I've chosen not to follow it at all..Too many contradiction and wrong information that made me stop researching it...

Anyway, you have the right to believe or not to believe in Quran, Bible or Gita...I don't believe god will punish you if you don't follow something that you don't understand, as it clearly stated:

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PICKTHAL: (O man), follow not that whereof thou hast no knowledge. Lo! the hearing and the sight and the heart - of each of these it will be asked.


So, why is the hatred? Ohya, I forgot, there will be some "language genius" who will come out and claim they have studied all the scriptures and understand everything. Well, these people are genius, they have fully understand something when even language experts who have been studying Gita/Quran/Bible/other scriptures for decades still having problem getting the right translation/intepretation for some of the things and that is the reason why we are having so many sects in religion. So, why waste your time arguing with mr. "know everything" who can't even back up his own words?

 

Oh my.. We have all gone WAAAAY off topic. I'm not going to participate in a "Trying-to-prove-Christianity-wrong" debate. It's pointless, and it's never been settled, so why should it now? Let's just quietly hold our own opinions with a silent dignity, and return back to the thread.

 

Well, as I kept saying before, let it be Christian/Islam/Hindu/Buddhism or any other religion, none of them teach us to hate and kill others... Its all about how you interpreted something which is why knowledge is very important....You saw Quran as full of violence because you have chosen to do so and because you are lacking of knowledge not only about Islam but also your own religion (or else you wouldn't be here spreading hatred)..which I 100% sure! I can do the same thing as you if I am someone like you, I can anytime paste anything like this:

wow! that is stoning to death!!! Just like in hadith...!!! Wonderful!!

Actually there are many more, if I am just another "mr know everything" I can anytime list all the things and then claim that Jesus is worse than Satan. But, since I am not "mr know everything" and cause I believe that every religion bring you to the right path if you put some effort and do some research...I never do so....So, again..why is the hatred???

 

Brum writes: "It's pointless, and it's never been settled, so why should it now? Let's just quietly hold our own opinions with a silent dignity, and return back to the thread?"

But in fact, this is not at all what Brum practices.


Elsewhere Brum writes: "Some of you guys are fucking ridiculous... Stop jumping on the nazi bandwagon and form your own independent opinions. " (Thread: 'Questions Muslims don't like to answer' - posted by Brum 8/27/06)

Brum writes: "Dead Corn, I don't give a shit whether he is god or not."

Here's another Brum gem of an example of "quietly holding ones own dignity." Brum writes: "How fucking dare you compare Atheists to terrorists you sick bastard."

Quite humorously Brum has the balls to then ask: "Could we return to the thread's theme please?"

Very shakey ground here, Brum, like most phoneys I have run into. fact is the loud mouths like yourself are the easiest to pick apart.

IN Christ, our Lord and Saviour

 

Yes and he act really against the rules in this forum.
Guess he's a case for the mods.

 

I agree that God's power is here today. That's funny you calling me a Pharisee. Nothing could be further from the truth. I must say you are extremely quick in judging me my friend. Should Christians be judgmental? You should check your Bible for that answer.

Regarding Satan. He is very powerful and never underestimate him. Don't you think he wants to pull the glory from God? What do you think he has been doing for the last 6,000 years? Twiddling his angelic thumbs? No, he has been very busy indeed.

I agree that God deserves all the glory for what he has done and for what he is going to do very soon.

Can I ask you this one question? Do you think it is remotely possible that Satan has been working on you? Try reading the following verses:

2 Cor 11:3
Eph 6:11
2 Cor 2:11
2 Cor 4:4

The most important one to read is 2 Cor 11:13-15.

How do you think he keeps transforming? What is his objective? Questions worth asking?

Col

 

Death is not God's doing. However, he can bring them all back to life and he will.

Read Matthew 5:25-30

Col

 

You're quoting the same thread, and what I said BEFORE I grew bored of these arguments. How am I phoney? I still stand by everything I believe in.. so... ?

 

Great verses huh - and you still follow the teachings of these men and the one masquerating as light? False teachers like Charles Taze Russell? a man made religion designed to take the focus off God and confuse people. Sorry, but the truth can hurt.

 

Yes I know King James did not write the King James version ....that in an of itself should tell you something about believing what is written..(Believe none of what you read)

You can have opinon on anythingyou would like..... but spouting something is fact... when there is no way to prove such....is futile and a waste of time.....

Where does any of this belong here??

Besides in my eyes death is heaven... and life on earth is hell!!!!!!

No more bills worries or shit from other supposed human animals.....

Is there any other species that kills itself randomly????

And we are more intelligent???

LOL

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by DiscussionPeace
I can hardly find muslims to answer these questions:

1. Question:

Is this from the Quran?

4 Women: ...4:89 They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them, ....


2. Question:

Is the content in the Hadith true?

dsp,
Thanks


Both the questions are easy to answer.

POINT 1 : This quotation is from the Quran, and it is said when the muslims were in war and they were told not to trust any unbeliever and Kill them where ever you find them.

This is because no commander of any army would tell his soliders during the battle to believe what his enemy is saying.
But in the very next chapter, chapter 5 God says to the believers that if they(enemy, disbelievers) seek refuge, take them to the place of safety. No commander can be so nice, even today to tell his soldiers to take his enemy to a safer place after he has won the war or his enemy has surrendered before him rather he would let them go.

Allah (God) is all merciful, he commands the muslims to lead the enemy to a safer place, if they(disbelievers) surrender or loose the battle.

POINT 2 : It is mentiond that The holy Quran is the word of GOD.
When ever their is a confusion refer it.
Hadith is not the word of Allah but it store information about the daily life of the prophet, which is written by humans, who are bound to make mistakes.
There is nothing wrong in Hadith and every muslim believes in Hadith but if their is a confusion the muslims refer to the word of GOD i.e The Holy Quran.

Allah is merciful, The Holy Quran is the true word of Allah!

 

moq

............Both the questions are easy to answer.

POINT 1 : This quotation is from the Quran, and it is said when the muslims were in war and they were told not to trust any unbeliever and Kill them where ever you find them. This is because no commander of any army would tell his soliders during the battle to believe what his enemy is saying.............

So Muhammad gave "warfare" instructions.

1. Here is the big difference between Christ and Muhammad.
Jesus let him be crucified rather than gather people and wage war against the elder priests, or the Romans to free the Jews. Really BIG difference in the doctrine. If Jesus preaches "Love your enemies, love each other" how He could then say "kill them where you find them".
Can you see the difference?


.............. POINT 2 : It is mentiond that The holy Quran is the word of GOD.
When ever their is a confusion refer it.
Hadith is not the word of Allah but it store information about the daily life of the prophet, which is written by humans, who are bound to make mistakes.
There is nothing wrong in Hadith and every muslim believes in Hadith but if their is a confusion the muslims refer to the word of GOD i.e The Holy Quran.
......................




2. If the Hadith describes the daily life of Muhammad and if most of it is true.
There is a lot of killings and violence in it. I don't have time to put it here. May be you or dp member can do that.

So again. Comparing the Hadith and the New Testament you can see the BIG difference between Jesus way of life, way of thinking the deeds He did and those of Muhammad.

In Jesus' life you see tons of "Positive" deeds. People who were blind all life, he healed them and they could see, people who had leprosy and asked him for help - healed. Many people with diseases which nobody could cure he did cure in a miraculous way (Just for my info did Muhammad cure anybody miraculously?). Jesus ordered no killings, no stoning, no hands cutting, no beating of men and women, no slave servants, no political games, no political marriages to please this or that tribe.
"No ARMED raids like Muhammad's (Bukhari:V5B59N510 for example)" to establish Christianity.


Jesus said. "The son of man came not to be served, but to serve."

Can there be a Divine teaching better and greater than "Love each other", "Love your enemies"?
sunlove

 

Actually the only erstwhile religion is rastafari

as far as I want to venture toward any type of organized religion....

Bob Marley rules!!!!!!!!!

"There are too many dead bodies lying around me...in a true reality, down in the grave there is no life. In silence there you'll be, with no-one to hear nor see, and no matter what you saw, when you are dead you cannot praise Jah."

As sure as the Sun shine Way up in the sky, Today I stand here a victim -The truth is I'll never die..

Peace and one love!

 

So Muhammad gave "warfare" instructions.

1. Here is the big difference between Christ and Muhammad.
Jesus let him be crucified rather than gather people and wage war against the elder priests, or the Romans to free the Jews. ...............
Can you see the difference?

ANSWER 1. Allah(GOD) commanded the believers to defend themselves against the non-believers who had attacked them.

Killing is not the issue, defending one self was the answer to the attack of the non-believers.

Allah(GOD) never wanted thousands of innocent believers to be killed by fanatic non believers, who would not listen to them.

Instead he asked the believers to defend themselves untill the non believers leave or surrender. And if the believer was in danger of loosing his life he could defend himself.

now the second part of the question

Jesus was never crucified according to the holy bible,
not according to the bible of today which is full of alterations , additions and subtractions.

So you see the difference The Holy Quran has not even changed a single digit since 1400 years but the true bible is lost for ever and what we have today is just another book written by a human!

now the third part of the question

Read the history of the 4 crusades and you will understand how well versed christians are about what Jesus taught to them.

According to the muslims from ADAM(PBUM) TO MOHAMMED(PBUM) all the prophets taught the language of peace.

The holy Quran says" if you kill a single human being it is as if you have killed the entire human being"



2. If the Hadith describes the daily life of Muhammad and if most of it is true.
There is a lot of killings and violence in it. ...............

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ANSWER 2:

Please tell me only one but with authentic proof!

 

Jesus was never crucified according to the holy bible,
not according to the bible of today which is full of alterations , additions and subtractions.


The Bible contains two parts:
Old Testament
New Testament

The new Testament is the one that should be studied and understood. Because it is a New Testament sent from God through Jesus Christ.
The foundation of it is very clear.
"Love each other. Love your neighbor. Love your enemies."

Christians have been persecuted and killed for many years. Never Jesus gave an order to His followers to pick up arms and kill the non believers who attacked them.
DIFFERENT DOCTRINE THAN THAT OF MUHAMMAD. Opposite I would say.

Nobody from any other religion deny Jesus crucifixion except Islam. Every holly person from any religion would have been given this knowledge to "see" the past and verify the fact. Everything is recorded in the world beyond. Though we don't see it ...... it exists. The most advanced souls (people) can read those records.

Even a gifted psychic can tell you Jesus was crucified, let alone a saint or a prophet.

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There is Divine knowledge that holly people have access to.

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Jesus crucifixion made up story? If somebody makes such a statement, I know for sure how much spiritual knowledge he has.

And if somebody who claims he is "holly" or God told him Jesus was not crucified, I know he has a long way to go till he becomes trully holly or be chosen from God for a prophet.

I would suggest you learn from the Indians about the spiritual world. They have had, and have a lot of spiritual advanced people. There are many books on that topic, which can give you a lot of details about the spiritual world and get rid off many dilusions.


Read the history of the 4 crusades and you will understand how well versed christians are about what Jesus taught to them.

Never found in the New Testament, pick up arms and spread Christianity.
Saying I am Christian, and then say "in the name of Christ I'll go and get for free, without permission everything I need from the store across the street doesn't make you a Christian a single bit.




2. If the Hadith describes the daily life of Muhammad and if most of it is true.
There is a lot of killings and violence in it.

Please tell me only one but with authentic proof!

OK, you asked me for proof.
Here is some, but there is much more:

...........And if somebody is killed, then his closest relative has the right to choose one of the two-- the blood money (Diyya) or retaliation having the killer killed." (Book #3, Hadith #112)

Where is the Divine here? Give me money, or get killed in retaliation. Here is why the civil war in Iraq will be real hard to stop. Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth.

(18) Narrated Anas bin Malik: Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) offered the Fajr prayer when it was still dark, then he rode and said, 'Allah Akbar! Khaibar is ruined. When we approach near to a nation, the most unfortunate is the morning of those who have been warned." The people came out into the streets saying, "Muhammad and his army." Allah's Apostle vanquished them by force and their warriors were killed; the children and women were taken as captives. Safiya was taken by Dihya Al-Kalbi and later she belonged to Allah's Apostle go who married her and her Mahr was her manumission. Book #14, Hadith #68)

Is this true?
If true.
Was that Divine?

Jesus never ever did anything like that.
Leading armed men to conquer a city and take children and women as captive.

(26) Narrated Anas: Some people from 'Uraina tribe came to Medina and its climate did not suit them, so Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) allowed them to go to the herd of camels (given as Zakat) and they drank their milk and urine (as medicine) but they killed the shepherd and drove away all the camels. So Allah's Apostle sent (men) in their pursuit to catch them, and they were brought, and he had their hands and feet cut, and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron and they were left in the Harra (a stony place at Medina) biting the stones.(See Hadith No. 234, Vol. 1) (Book #24, Hadith #577)

Is this true or man made?

If true don't you think it is a bit barbaric for a prophet to order somebody's feet and hands cut no matter what the crime was?


(33) Narrated Anas bin Malik: Allah's Apostle entered Mecca in the year of its Conquest wearing an Arabian helmet on his head and when the Prophet took it off, a person came and said, "Ibn Khatal is holding the covering of the Ka'ba (taking refuge in the Ka'ba)." The Prophet said, "kill him." (Book #29, Hadith #72)

Is this true?

If true. Again another act of killing.


(47) Narrated Ibn Aun: I wrote a letter to Nafi and Nafi wrote in reply to my letter that the Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani Mustaliq without warning while they were heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. Their fighting men were killed and their women and children were taken as captives; the Prophet got Juwairiya on that day. Nafi said that Ibn 'Umar had told him the above narration and that Ibn 'Umar was in that army. (Book #46, Hadith #717)


A lot of violence around your prophet.

I don't want to go anymore finding you proofs.

I don't like this kind of "Divinity". That lifestyle is not for me. This man's deeds are not "Divine" for me. ........
..... Taking women and children as captive.

The true messenger of God comes not to take as captives/slaves women and children or men.
Sorry muslims. My opinion only.

Love each other. Love your neighbor. Love your enemies.
I have not found anything better than this.
sunlove

 

In fact I follow the teachings of Christ. hence, being called a Christian. However, I mean following ALL the teachings of Christ. Not just one or two that most do. There is a lot of mis-informed stories about Charles Taze Russell of which I talked about in other threads. However, Charles is not me or anyone else of the near 7 million around the world who follow the teachings of Christ the same way I do.

Focussing on God is imperative. However, you seem intent on focussing more on Jesus, correct? Did Jesus want this attention? No, he only wanted all to recognise Almighty God, his father and to do the will of his father. Here's a great question. What is God's will?

I agree that the truth can hurt if you are not humble enough to face the truth and whinge, whine and complain about it. Look at the Israelites for example. Not long after God rescued them they were complaining about their lot in life. Now there's the hurting. Should they have felt hurt? No. They should have been ever so grateful.

Col

 

Got to love people talking about things which supposedly happened 1,000s of years ago

yet none were even thought of at the time

I doubt one person here could trace their family back that far...


Let me ask a question

when all of you cut yourselves do you bleed red???

Yes

Are we all the same

Yes

Are you all so naive as to not understand that religions were started by people who wanted to control other people??

Religion was their way of enacting laws but since nobody would go for a set of laws nor was the term coined at that time ...they decided to use religion.

Why not be better than the false phrophets and stupid politicans and learn we are all humans made of the same blood and flesh??

Find an end to war and hatred and convince future generations you are all more than just the lowest form of animal crawling the earth....

Im still waiting for god or allah or whatever fake deity one chooses to be led by the nose by... proclaiming to follow such falsehoods..... to save all the innocent people killed each year in floods, typhoons, earthquakes, etc....

We are supposed to be smarter than this............

 

Firstly, I do not want to control anyone else and I have never been taught to do so. The Bible also says that the truth is hidden from the smart ones. Would I want to be smarter? No, that would be foolish because no one likes a smart arse.