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Wanted: a Muslim Reformation
National Post (Canada)
Sept 26, 2003

No religion has a monopoly on violence. Christianity has the Spanish Inquisition and the bloody excesses of the Crusades...."

But it will Not do to take the Politically Correct course and Lump all Religions in the Same basket, at least not insofar as our own era is concerned. Christian civilization underwent a Reformation in the 16th century, embraced the Enlightenment with its intellectual and theological pluralism, separated Church from State and encouraged scholarship and democracy. Judaism has followed a similar process -- as have, more recently, the faiths of the far East. Islam, on the other hand, is still struggling with this transition. And if there is to be peace in the Middle East and an end to terror worldwide, Muslims must accept that their faith is overdue for a doctrinal overhaul...."


"....Christianity still has its fanatical, bigoted elements. But those Christians who advocate the slaughter of non-believers make up an almost imperceptibly tiny fraction of the faithful. Much is made of the intolerant pronouncements of high-profile evangelists. A few deranged anti-abortion snipers aside, however, this is just talk. Even terrorists that claim to be part of the Christian world-- such as Spain's Basque extremists and America's Timothy McVeigh-- typically do not operate under any sort of religious aegis.

By contrast, a large minority of the world's one billion Muslims still adhere to militant interpretations of their faith, including the Wahabi sect of Sunni Islam, centred in and spread by Saudi Arabia. These interpretations all embrace as a central tenet the duty of jihad -- which, despite whitewashing efforts in the West, continues to mean what it has meant since the 7th century: the slaughter or forced conversion of non-Muslim "infidels." With few exceptions -- such as old-school Palestinian terrorists who cling to Marxist rhetoric -- Muslim terrorist groups all explicitly take Islam as their inspiration. Osama bin Laden is a Hero to Hundreds of Millions of Muslims, and al-Qaeda continues to receive financing from a wide array of Muslim charities.
Christians kill. Jews kill. Hindus kill. But no other faith group on the planet has embraced random slaughter in anything approaching the manner of radicalized Muslims.

The mainstream Arabic media is shot through with the most extreme sort of Hatred...
"Muslim advocacy organizations in the West, including Canada's own Canadian Islamic Congress, typically reject the claim that there is a problem with contemporary Islam, preferring to lay the world's problems at the feet of Israel and U.S. foreign policy.

Indeed, any Critical Scrutiny of their Religion is decried as "Bigotry"..... But it is evident these commentators are putting pride of faith above Truth.
The celebrations in the Islamic world on Sept. 11, 2001...."

Original link expired, The full article can now be found here:

http://memri.org/bin/media.cgi?ID=61403

 

and commentors go on like this ...enjoy

And the article was pointing out it's not just History, or using history .. it's NOW.

There is no 'reform' Islam, as say in Judaism. Even 'Moderate' Muslims are Koran Literalists, or they aren't Muslims.

The same PC/Leftist crowd that Bashes the Conservative Christians in the USA condones much worse in the name of 'Multiculturalism from Muslims worldwide.

Islamic Nations persecute their minorities and neighbors, have horrific human and women's rights records. Much of which can be Justified by their Holy Book.. and is.

Islam and Islamic countries are in a Terrible state as some leaders like Matahir (Malaysia) and Musharraf (Pak) will admit.
And their countries are not excatly shining stars either.

"Terrorism" is just the most visible Tip of the Islamist Iceberg.
Apologists love to point out/limit the problem to "just a few bad aplles".. But...

Most of the death and cleansing happens by the Governments and Peoples of Islamic countries against their neighbors and minorities.. and is not narrowly defined as 'terrorism'.

Christians in the Middle East have gone from 15% to 2% of the population in ther last 50 years. (While Leftists slept)

Even since Oslo, Christians have been persecuted in place like Bethlehem and have gone from 60% to 20% of the population.

In Lebanon... a million Maronite Christians were cleansed and God knows how many killed since 1975.

... 4000 killed in Iran alone since 1980 for being Gay...
Probably not counted as "terrorism".. but this IS the 'Religion of Peace" in action.

Is the First Genocide in Sudan (by the NIF Govt 1983-2003) which Killed 2 Million Christians and animists 'Terrorism"?.. or counted.
(and Displaced 4-5 Million others)

Perhaps they are counting the Second more famous Genocide and cleansing of the [black] Furs of Darfur?

Or the events in many places in Indonesia.. where tens of thousands have been killed and displaced (East Timor, The Moluccas, Ambon, Sulawesi, etc) while the Government did Nothing. IN fact, troops and police were often complicit in these acts.

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"The Whore Lived Like a German"
By Jody K. Biehl in Berlin

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/int...,344374,00.html

In the past four months, six Muslim women living in Berlin have been brutally murdered by family members. Their crime? Trying to break free and live Western lifestyles. Within their communities, the killers are revered as heroes for preserving their family dignity.

The crime might be easier to digest if it had been an archaic anomaly, but five other Muslim women have been murdered in Berlin during the past four months by their husbands or partners for besmirching the family's Muslim honor.
Two of them were stabbed to death in front of their young children, one was shot, one strangled and a fifth drowned. It seems hard to fathom, but in the middle of democratic Western Europe -- in Germany, a nation where pacifism is almost a universal mantra -- murderous macho patriotism not only exists but also appears to be thriving. It may even be Germany's liberalism -- and its post World War II fear of criticizing minority cultures -- that has encouraged ultra-religious families to settle here...."

 

Muslim Expert Tells Georgetown Students Islam is in Desperate Need of Reformation, Endorses Peaceful Form of Islam

WASHINGTON, Feb. 20 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Dr. Tawfik Hamid, a former member of Jamaha Islameia (JI) and associate of Dr. Ayman al-Zawahri, told an audience of Georgetown University students on Thursday that Islam is in desperate need of reformation.

"If the leaders of Islam endorse teachings accepting slavery, the beating of women, the killing of homosexuals, the killing of those who convert from Islam to other religions (apostates), humiliation taxes or jihad to spread Islam -- practices that do not hold the basic tenants of common humanity -- then it does not make sense to engage with the leaders of that religion," he said.

Dr. Hamid, a medical doctor, clinical psychologist and expert in Islam, says that for the past 22 years he has been trying to reform Islam. During his many years in Egypt, he preached a peaceful form of Islam, but says he was forced to leave the country when he was threatened and attacked in nearly Every mosque he visited.

After lecturing at Georgetown, Dr. Hamid met with a number of military intelligence experts.

"Dr. Hamid is a treasure," one general said. "We need him in the U.S. to explain the dangers of extremism to America and the world."

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=61225

 

Muslim Victimology and Narcissism

Lee Howard Hodges
March 2002
The Iranian

A whiny, self-pitying, narcissistic Muslim victimology characterizes most of the dialogue emanating from the Muslim world today. This is what I usually hear when I listen to Muslims discuss the problems within their societies as well as with the West.

Muslims are always the victims, never the perpetrators. They bear no responsibility for their predicaments.
The world is a morality play, in which Muslims have been cast as the victims, and the West, particularly the U.S. and Israel, as the villains.

This victimology mentality, not U.S. foreign policy or Israel, is the root cause of the backward, oppressive condition the Muslim world finds itself in today.

Since September 11th, countless people have argued that American foreign policy mistakes caused the terrorism and hatred toward America emanating from the Middle East. This is simply a cop-out. It is hogwash.

American foreign policy has had many flaws around the world. Yet other parts of the world, particularly Southeast Asia and Latin America, have suffered far more from U.S. foreign policy than has the Middle East!

Even during the Vietnam War, however, it was rare to find a Vietnamese who hated America itself, as it is clear many Muslims do today. If U.S. foreign policy toward Muslims caused the terrorism of September 11th, why didn't U.S. misdeeds in Vietnam, Cambodia, Nicaragua, etc., cause any terrorism?

Over and over again, Muslims put U.S. support of Israel at the top of their grievances..."

"...The Arab states cynically chose to have the Palestinians be perpetual "refugees" as a pawn to use against Israel...."[/b]

"...They send their children out to blow themselves up in pointless suicide bombings that have set back, rather than advanced, their cause. They demand a "right of return" that no Israeli government could ever possibly grant.

Don't the American Indians have an equal right to return to their old homes across the U.S.? Yet the U.S. government would never grant this in a million years. American Indians don't stay at war with the U.S. government, vow to demolish the U.S., and strap explosives to themselves to kill innocent men, women, and children!

To the West, Palestinians and their sympathizers have no moral credibility to condemn Israel if and when they publicly celebrate the suicide bombings of women and children! This is murder, not freedom-fighting!.."

"...Furthermore, the whole Muslim preoccupation with Israel reeks in hypocrisy. While Muslims condemn Israel incessantly for the Palestinian issue, they usually totally ignore the massive human rights abuses in Muslim countries

In 1988, Saddam Hussein murdered 5,000 Kurds with nerve gas. Shi'a Muslims, who comprise 60 percent of Iraq's population, are harshly persecuted.
Yet where do you here Muslims protesting all this?

As M.A. Muqtedar Khan noted, "In many Persian Gulf countries, laws and even salaries are based on ethnic origin. This is racism..."
Yet why didn't we hear Muslims protest these practices at the Durban conference on racism? Instead, all of the focus was on condemning Israel as a "racist state."

Muslims frequently argue that the U.S. is hypocritical because it supports "repressive regimes" in the Middle East, particularly Egypt and Saudi Arabia. Yet how is the U.S. supposed to "stand up for democracy" in dealing with countries that have never had any democratic traditions? Where are the democrats in Egypt and Saudi Arabia?

As Fouad Ajami notes, the Arab world has "...had authoritarian regimes since the dawn of its history." If the Egyptian and Saudi governments were toppled, we would likely see Taliban-style regimes take their place. They would be more oppressive than the existing order, not less.

It is not America's moral responsibility to create or foster "free societies" in the Muslim world. This is the responsibility of Muslims themselves. In addition, American leaders have a right and a duty to put their nations' self-interest first in formulating foreign policy -- as do the leaders of every other nation. This does not mean that nations should only care about themselves, but it does mean they can't do what others want without looking out for their own interests.

Until the Muslim world looks within and stops the "blame game" of scapegoating the U.S. and Israel for its problems, it will never reclaim the greatness it once enjoyed. A thousand years ago, the Muslim world led humanity in scientific achievement.

Today, Israel alone has nearly twice as many scientists as all Muslim countries put together. This cannot be explained by American foreign policy or Israel. Rather, it is a clear signal that Muslims must look inward in order to reclaim their societies.

http://www.iranian.com/Opinion/2002/March/Victim/
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One more question Please:
Is Mohammed get married to girl at 9 years old?

 

Winners and losers in Islamic Indonesia. One is a Muslim cleric who taught the Bali bombers to slaughter 202 innocents. (Abu note: That's Abu Bakr Bashir, head of al-Qaeda sub-Group Jemaah Islamiyah) He's released from jail after Only a 26-month sentence. The same court gave the Christian Sunday school teacher three years for teaching others to turn the other cheek.

 

Symposium: The Muslim Persecution of Christians
J Glazov
October 10, 2003

The widespread persecution of Christians is an increasing phenomenon in the Islamic world. Aside from its obvious tragic and horrifying ingredients, what is the significance and meaning of this persecution? Why is it almost never mentioned in the Western media? How is it connected to the conflict between the West and militant Islam? Why should America be concerned?

[....]

Interlocutor: Welcome to Frontpage Symposium ladies and gentlemen. Let’s begin with the question that will build a foundation to this discussion: how widespread is the persecution of Christians in the Islamic world?

Marshall: Very widespread, there are few Muslim countries where it does not occur.

It takes four forms.

The Bulk at:
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/Re...le.asp?ID=10242
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Temporarily displaced.

AS Opposed to the 1 Million Maronite Christians PERMANENTLY Cleansed from Lebanon by .... un-reformated Islam in the last 30 years.

Changing what WAS a Christian majority country and the 'Paris of the Middle East' to- the place it is now.

 

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=assassin

as·sas·sin ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-ssn)
n.
1. One who murders by surprise attack, especially one who carries out a plot to kill a prominent person.
2. Assassin A member of a secret order of Muslims who terrorized and killed Christian Crusaders and others.

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[French, from Medieval Latin assassnus, from Arabic an, pl. of a, hashish user, from a, hashish. See hashish.]
Word History: At first glance, one would be hard-pressed to find a link between pleasure and the acts of assassins. Such was not the case, however, with those who gave us the word assassin. They were members of a secret Islamic order originating in the 11th century who believed it was a religious duty to harass and murder their enemies. The most important members of the order were those who actually did the killing. Having been promised paradise in return for dying in action, the killers, it is said, were made to yearn for paradise by being given a life of pleasure that included the use of hashish. From this came the name for the secret order as a whole, an, “hashish users.” After passing through French or Italian, the word came into English and is recorded in 1603 with reference to the Muslim Assassins.

Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company.

assassin

\As*sas"sin\, n. [F. (cf. It. assassino), fr. Ar. `hashishin one who has drunk of the hashish. Under its influence the Assassins of the East, followers of the Shaikh al-Jabal (Old Man of the Mountain), were said to commit the murders required by their chief.] One who kills, or attempts to kill, by surprise or secret assault; one who treacherously murders any one unprepared for defense.

 

Married at six, consumated at 9. He was in his mid-50s when that took place.

 

Stay Amused, and UNinformed, muslims because about 2/3 of the land was Owned by 'NO ONE'. .. no Arab anyway.

It was State Land, passing from the ottomans (when it was called 'miri'/belonging to the Emir) to the British to the Jews. This includes the ½ (alone) of Israel is the Negev Desert.

abu afak

 

Jerusalem (After 1291)

5) Present Condition of the City

Jerusalem (El Quds) is the capital of a sanjak and the seat of a mutasarrif directly dependent on the Sublime Porte. In the administration of the sanjak the mutasarrif is assisted by a council called majlis ida ra; the city has a municipal government (majlis baladiye) presided over by a mayor. The total population is estimated at 66,000. The Turkish census of 1905, which counts only Ottoman subjects, gives these figures: Jews, 45,000; Moslems, 8,000; Orthodox Christians, 6000; Latins, 2500; Armenians, 950; Protestants, 800; Melkites, 250; Copts, 150; Abyssinians, 100; Jacobites, 100; Catholic Syrians, 50. During the nineteenth century large suburbs to the north and east have grown up, chiefly for the use of the Jewish colony. These suburbs contain nearly half the present population.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08364a.htm

 

Arnie you're posts getting arasp off this thread

 

You know my time is more valuable to spend it for reading every long shits. Honestly, I have not read it because I think the subject of my talking is totally changed.

And Roiei, what is your problem with me? Do you scare me? I am always beside you :d

 

Very convenient

Scare? why do I need to scare from you?

 

Heh heh. I was kidding. Your smile was in fact showing your nice feeling that I am not replying in this thread.

 

Your talking is hate propaganda against the US and Israel, A PARROTED GOVERNMENT SCHEME AND SCAM FROM YOU COUNTRY IRAN.

I just wonder what the reason or your visit to the US was when you hate it so much. Isn't that a bit suspecious?
I can't think of any other reason than being on a mission.
Can you tell us?

At the other hand you ignore and judge posts that might help you to get some light into your narrowed darkened mind.

But as we all know. This is Islam!!! - and very characteristic.

You can't debunk any of the posts from above and you know it.

 

No the problem is that I hate to spend my valuble time for some shits.

You know nothing about Islam and I am sure that if you stay alive you will see the power of Islam in the whole world maybe in the next 60-70 years.

When I was in Florida, I did not meet some narrow minded people like you.
I know that in the US, there are millions are people that are against their country policy.

or maybe I was in the UK to blow up the twine towers. huh? I dont wanna pass judgement about this.

I know that Taleban in Afghanistan are the most dangrous terrorist in the region and they killed Iranian diplomat some years ago. And the sad thing is that they do such thing in the name of Islam.

But 11th of September even generated from other sources, maybe the time will reveal it in future and shows that who killed those Americans, who killed those christians.

let us time pass judgement about this.

I am just sure that taleban is too weak and stupid to do that super sophisticated terror inside the USA.

we all need time.

I hope I meet you after 70 - 80 years.

 

Now you're a taliban expert?