Questions about PR

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by fuser, Mar 29, 2007.

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Do PR0 incoming links contribute to a sites PR?

  1. Yes

    83.3%
  2. No

    16.7%
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  1. ajsa52

    ajsa52 Well-Known Member

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    #21
    And, what is a genuinely PR0 ?
    The PR range 0-9 is only a external converted value of the internal Google Page Rank. Not all PR3 (or PR2, or PR4, ...) are equal.
    Although probably that number is ranging from 0..2^64 (or similar), but is converted on 0..9 using some kind of algoritmic conversion.
    For example an Google Internal Value of 236 could be convert into an external PR0, and is that a genuinely PR0 ?
     
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  2. Alan Murray

    Alan Murray Well-Known Member

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    #22
    If the sites have no links from any sites that have pr then they will be pr 0.

    As I said we have only the toolbar to look at. These sites could have pr just we cant see it.
     
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  3. sumbitarticle

    sumbitarticle Active Member

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    #23
    Yes it will have a great impact on ur website. Whats important is targetted traffic.
     
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  4. ajsa52

    ajsa52 Well-Known Member

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    #24
    I disagree,
    Each page have a Page Rank by itself, and are passing some percentage of their value to the linked pages. That links can be to external sites and to internal pages (same site). You can see at your own site that pages not linked by any other site have some PR gained with internal links from other pages on your site.

    I have a large site with thousands of pages, and most of their Page Rank is generated by itseft. i.e. from links on other pages on same site.
     
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  5. Alan Murray

    Alan Murray Well-Known Member

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    #25
    Not 100% understand what you are saying. Do you think pages start of with pr?
     
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  6. ajsa52

    ajsa52 Well-Known Member

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    #26
    Take a look at this page: PageRank Explaided
    Read it carefully, don't mind on numbers, just try to get the idea behind.
    You'll discover why "...it’s probably better to get lots (perhaps thousands) of links from sites with small PR than to spend any time or money desperately trying to get just the one link from a high PR page"
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  7. SeLFiE

    SeLFiE Banned

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    #27
    well it still gives you improvement inregards to your PR on the next update...you may try the three way linking through those sites...

    link exchange with quality related sites that will be much better...
     
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  8. Alan Murray

    Alan Murray Well-Known Member

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    #28
    Yes but what i am saying is if they sites have no pr then no pr can be passed. We would need to find out if the twenty sites have any links.
     
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  9. fuser

    fuser Peon

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    #29
    ajsa52: Let's take an example. Assuming I go register a domain name and put a website with 1 page. Only 1 page, and on that page I make an outgoing link to myotherdomain.com . Now will myotherdomain.com gain PR from this newly registered domain with a 1 page website?

    Alright, now you are saying if your website has numerous internal pages, then these will generate PR and you might have PR if you have a 5000 page website without having any external pages linking to it. Is this right?
     
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    #30
    I think any link helps, even if pr0 as long as they're indexed by google.
     
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  11. fuser

    fuser Peon

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    #31
    What is three way linking?

     
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  12. Scriptona

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    #32
    Any links coming to your site will affect your PR even if they are PR-1 :D
     
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    ajsa52 Well-Known Member

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    #33
    fuser: On your example, your myotherdomain.com will gain IMHO only a small Page Rank value.

    And for the 5000 page website question. Maybe you need some external links to be crawled frecuently. But with all your pages indexed and well interlinked (for example on a 3 level structure) you'll get many PR1, several PR2 and maybe some PR3 pages.

    On my site now I have several incoming external PR7, PR6, PR5... links so is not a good example. But I have thousands of PR1 pages, hundreds of PR2 and PR3 pages, many PR4 pages ...

    Anyway, unless you're running a site for selling links, the most important factor is traffic, not PR (most of my traffic are from search engines going to internal pages with low PR). So no worry too much about this
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    #34
    Google published exactly how it works when they wrote a paper about it when they were at UNI.
    PR(A) = (1-d) + d (PR(T1)/C(T1) + ... + PR(Tn)/C(Tn))

    If that was true then how did pagerank come into existence? At some point all sites (even the biggest) would have been PR0. So if PR0 pages pass zero PR there wouldn't even be any PR1 sites now.

    Having said that, forget about PR, It's probably the least important "statistic" you should consider when looking at your sites progress.

    PR doesn't increase your SERPS
    PR will not get you more visitors
     
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  16. fuser

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    #36
    Totally agree with.

    Also agree that traffic more important with PR, but i personally have not seen a PR7 or possibly a PR6 not ranking well for some keyword in google and getting google traffic. :D

     
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    #37
    PageRank Explained

    PageRank relies on the uniquely democratic nature of the web by using its vast link structure as an indicator of an individual page's value. In essence, Google interprets a link from page A to page B as a vote, by page A, for page B. But, Google looks at more than the sheer volume of votes, or links a page receives; it also analyzes the page that casts the vote. Votes cast by pages that are themselves "important" weigh more heavily and help to make other pages "important."

    Important, high-quality sites receive a higher PageRank, which Google remembers each time it conducts a search. Of course, important pages mean nothing to you if they don't match your query. So, Google combines PageRank with sophisticated text-matching techniques to find pages that are both important and relevant to your search. Google goes far beyond the number of times a term appears on a page and examines all aspects of the page's content (and the content of the pages linking to it) to determine if it's a good match for your query.
     
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