Question regarding copyright of numbers and math

Discussion in 'Legal Issues' started by nextfx, Nov 7, 2007.

  1. #1
    Hello,

    I was wondering if anyone out there knew whether or not the following would be copyright violation:

    I need to take a large set of numbers (from a copyrighted source), and convert all those numbers to another format (double to integer, and a little math involved).

    Is it a violation to extract numbers from another set of numbers, which becomes completely different from the original set, and use it for a commercial product?

    Input appreciated. Thanks!
     
    nextfx, Nov 7, 2007 IP
  2. bluegrass special

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    It depends on what the numbers are. What do the numbers you want to use represent (answers, temperature measurements for a city, sports scores, a random list of numbers...)?
     
    bluegrass special, Nov 7, 2007 IP
  3. nextfx

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    Hi bluegrass,

    The numbers are time frame information (open, high, low, close) from various brokers. My conversion would be the following:

    Broker data:
    1.0000,1.0000,1.0000,1.0000
    1.0001,1.0002,0.9999,1.0001
    ...

    Converted:
    1,2,-1,1

    Keeps track of the number of ticks moved from one row to the next.

    Thanks
     
    nextfx, Nov 7, 2007 IP
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    I would say these numbers are facts. Facts are not subject to copyright.
     
    bluegrass special, Nov 7, 2007 IP
  5. nextfx

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    Makes sense, my thought as well. Thanks for your input
     
    nextfx, Nov 7, 2007 IP
  6. Forrest

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    What you're talking about is generally a derivative work, and can get you into trouble. But in this particular instance ... they've already been reported as news from a number of different sources. I think that would be a lot more difficult to win a lawsuit, compared to, well, publishing a bunch of MP3 files and changing their bit rate. I'm not a lawyer. But as a non-stupid person I don't think you'd be in any realistic trouble.
     
    Forrest, Nov 7, 2007 IP
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    In this case it is not a derivative work because the original information is not subject to copyright.
     
    bluegrass special, Nov 7, 2007 IP
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    But for future reference when looking into this kind of stuff ... it's a good thing to know the concepts and what they're called.
     
    Forrest, Nov 8, 2007 IP