If given a form of Amnesty (which looks very possible now), what party do you think these people will vote for? Just your own way of giving a guess. Feel free to back your poll opinion. http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/11/20061109-4.html
Guess will be paying for their children to go to school, their physical and medical needs if they are given Amnesty?
LoriVA, We are already paying for illegal immigration. What will happen is that the Democrats will get more voters and low ball business owners will be able to keep their steady supply of cheap labor. Where I live, our schools are straining under the weight of illegals and our medical system is burdened too. *sigh*
To me the answers fairly obvious. Atleast for the first generation, perhaps even the second. Bush's ambition on passing the former senate bill almost seemed suicidal. The man seems like he's on a coarse with being labeled the 'trojan horse'. Nothing will destroy his party more than that. JMO.
Agreed. I think President Bush's stance on immigration is what killed the Republicans this year. Conservatives did not turn out or, if they did, they voted in protest against the president's immigration policy.
Well, I think there's more to it than that, but he's definitely pissing off his base. One will notice that they lost a lot of Senate positions that were voting for amnesty. Ironically, many of the dems that won their positions in house declared they were hardliners against amnesty. We'll see if that rings true. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1735415/posts I consider freerepublic some what of a guage on conservatives, and there's a lot of people that will no-longer support Bush if he throws in this towel. A lot of talk about third party. I like conservatives, generally. I don't consider myself a republican at all. I lean to a few of the conservatives positions. But frankly the idea of giving the dems that sort of power, is a bit uneasy to me. I don't want either to dominate things too much,....otherwise it's not about who has the most reasonable ideas, it's about whom has the biggest pool of voters. To me that means nothing, especially in this case...where the voters are not educated.
I voted that they would vote democrat. But I am in Arizona, there is a large hispanic population and the Republicans won almost every office. Go figure?
Immigration is probably the biggest reason that the Conservative Republicans and the Blue-Dog Democrats deserted him and the rest of the Republican Party. They didn't vote Democratic, they just didn't vote at all. Hence giving the edge to the Democratic Party. The Amnesty bill that the President wanted passed was DOA in the house with the conservative lead House. Now that bill will get a second chance with the Democrats in charge and make over 30 million illegal aliens US Citizens with the right to vote and the right to use every public assistance program that we have in place now. They will be running over the border as fast as they can get here. Some say as much as 60-100 million in the next 15 years. Just how many low-paying or non-educated jobs can there be here in the US? The Border Fence bill that was passed has some sort of a clause in it. The money that was ear-marked for the fence can be allocated to use somewhere else if the President sees fit. You can bet he will see fit because he did not want the fence but caved because the House told him to do so or else. Why he is so adamant about this no one on the conservative side seems to know. I understand completely why Mexicans want to come here and make a better life for themselves and their families. I would do the same if I was in the same situation. The US economy cannot sustain this influx of illegal immigrants. We are not the life boat of every poor and starving country. If everyone keeps jumping into the boat we are all going to drown. Time to make some hard decisions and close the borders and get back to ensuring people who want to come to this country can do so by doing it the legal way. Not by running across the southwest desert borders or paying a coyote to smuggle them here. One last item... If you come to America, speak ENGLISH and learn ENGLISH. It is not our responsibility to learn YOUR language and YOUR culture. It is YOUR responsibility to learn our culture and our language. Remember, we didn't relocate. YOU did.
Initially, I'm seeing that as part of it, but I'm also seeing the increase in youthful voters,...there's an anti-admin sentiment throughout the country. The dems were fairly crafty in allowing their candiates to represent more of their districts...essentially moderating areas. That gave them a lot seats. I'm not sure of this, yet, because it seems many of those replacements were by democrats whom said they would be just as anti-amnesty as the republicans they went against. Who knows, I've yet to see the numbers comparing. Pelosi has to think about 2008. Something like that could bring out the most conservative of people out, and will. I don't know if they would like the backlash that would have in the house and senate. As for presidents, such an act would make a real conservative president more likely than ever. I'm not sure the Democrats want to chance that. I sincerly believe our biggest non-educated jobs will be mechanized. Machines are said to be one of the biggest 'out-sourcers' (perse) in America. In retail, I'm sure that by 2030, most retail will mechanized. Registers will be walk through, with the barcodes in the product. Product will be placed by machines, and computers will assist. That's millions of jobs that high school graduates will not have,...which means a huge influx of people going back to school or people seeking jobs. I'm sure some of these people will pursue construction, but given the growth of illegal immigration in construction,...I'm not sure that shift would accomadate both. It's a paradigm shift that America is vaguely aware of.
You may be right regarding the Immigration Bill. We will just have to wait and see. Maybe there are enough southern blue-dog dems to put a halt to the amnesty plan. If it gets passed I think it will be a great blow to this nation. Regarding the Nancy Pelosi comment: Rumor has it that Hillary and Bill are going to have a nice long chat with her and Harry Reid, leader of the Senate, and instruct them not to do anything stupid in order for Hillary to capture the Whitehouse in "08". They do not want anything to upset the cart. They also want Howard Dean out as Dem Chairmain. He is to much of a liability as well now that John Kerry has completly taken himself out as a serious contender with the comment about the troops being stupid. I look for the next 2 years to be rather quiet after the Clintons get to Pelosi and Reid.
I hope I'm right. I don't think Hillary has a chance; even among many liberals she looked down upon. The dems should know, all they need to do is see moderate change in Iraq (for the better). If the press issues that are a thin-line to walk-on, they'll get stung. If they walk that line, they'll hold both houses. If they get a moderate dem for their president, they'll win that as well. Republicans have to be a bit pragmatic in some areas, but would be greatly appreciated if they put in a moderate conservative president ie one that's identifiably conservative, but no overly aggressive in foreign policy. They'd clearly win if they could do that. But first and foremost they need acknowledge what they did wrong in the last couple years in ignore their base on important issue, while focusing on others. I prefer the latter, because I think Democrats tend to chose judges in a manner I don't agree with. Maybe.
I'm curious how many people came from Cuba...the current land of 11 million? Do you know how many people came through boats and such? I would assume it's much smaller than the rest of Central America. Although Cubans are given asylum, because Cuba doesn't necessarily have a forgivable government. Same would appy to the eastern germans, back-in-the-days. It's a bit easier to forgive people that are literally running away from insanity. It's not something that's desireable, but I can see much more reason in it.
I believe we gave asylum to some people in central america as well, durning the communism phase. I'm bit more understand of these folks, since they faced the beast and survived it. If America was literally taken-over by a dictator, I would flee immediately and ask for a country to take me in. I'm not quite sure I equate Communists with Democrats, but yeah, there are simliarities.
Being that Cubans won't really require amnesty if they have asylum (which almost all do), why do people here think that the voting will be a bit of both? What perception leads you to believe that?
I think traditional republicans were against lifting any trade embargos with cuba, which personally I think is stupid. I think interaction with millions of american tourist would probably help change the country, it would great if it was open its 70 miles of ocean away. I could drive my boat there for the weekend
Not that this wouldn't apply to another thread, but I don't see how it applies very well here. Get me if I'm wrong....
debunked said I don't know if cubans equate democracts with communism, I just know that republicans tended to support more restrictions with cuba, which is one of the reason american cubans support them, to be tough on castro.
I tend to think that's how America goes(even though this is just about Cubans). We want a somewhat democratic congress, and a somewhat republican executive branch. If both parties could get the clue that we want a moderate view on some of their perspective, with slight leanings...they'd win a second.