Question for Christians

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by ncz_nate, Apr 28, 2008.

  1. sweetsara

    sweetsara Peon

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    #221
    So you have never been a Muslim, so you can't claim it has no spirituality. Also, if you did actually read any of the Quran you will see it is more detailed than any other holy book, i can tell that people haven't read the Quran when they have claimed to do so because they totally contradict what is in the Quran with what they say....typical brainwashed Christian
     
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  2. Ckrismoney

    Ckrismoney Well-Known Member

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    #222
    You haven't read every other Holy Book, when you do you'll never look at the quran the same, if you read the Bible for sure.

    The quran has no divine insperation.

    The prophet of it was contridicting and savage. ( because he know he was lying )

    If the god of the quran is god we have a two faced god who can change his chosen people at any time.
    If he changed because the Jews and Christians tainted his word then he made the mistake himself by choosing wrong.

    What kind of god can't see the future.
    GOD( YAHWEH ) said HE sees everything that will ever happen.

    He disiplined the Hebrews constantly for commiting sins and bowing down to other gods ( mainly arab gods ) and then, goes to the ones who have always bowed to false gods gimmie a break.

    He said Israel is the apple of HIS Eye.
    HE made excact predictions concerning Israel that are coming true for every generation.

    It's a shame innocent people are still dying for yusef mohameds game of power.

    GOD told the Hebrews excactly how to build his temple.

    But not the Arabs. Not very detailed if you ask me.

    HE told the Hebrews all the food that was unclean, and resaerch shows HE was right.

    He told the arabs the pig but left out the rest, come on man.

    And if that's not enough you expect us to think god said we all should learn arabic and pray towards mecca.

    Yusef said those things himself, to gain racial superiority.

    It's not the same GOD at all.

    One's real the other isn't! You decide which one is the real ONE, but thay can't be the same.
     
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  3. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #223
    Funny, I have read it, the only contradictions I can find are with the Quran and Muslims who have not read it. :cool:
     
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  4. Ckrismoney

    Ckrismoney Well-Known Member

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    #224
    The GOD of the Bible said" Thou shalt not LIE!"

    The god of the quran said:

    Verse 16:106 says, "Whoso disbelieveth in Allah after his belief *save him who is forced thereto and whose heart is still content with the Faith* but whoso findeth ease in disbelief: On them is wrath from Allah. Theirs will be an awful doom."

    In other words, Allah will forgive a Muslim who converts to another faith as long as he/she is only pretending. Because it doesn't if a Muslim lies by saying he has converted to another religion

    That's called contridiction ( one verse says don't lie another says it's cool to lie as long as you don't mean it really, which makes it a lie )

    How did you not know this, you said you found no contridictions in the quran.

    But like the quran says it's okay to lie.
     
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  5. wmghori

    wmghori Well-Known Member

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    #225
    Yes, it does. It makes a great difference. Translation of Quran is not Quran itself. Its what a translator understand of Quran. Every translation is different. This goes for every book. Unless the translation is written by the author, translated material cannot portray the original message.

    Learn Arabic and then study Quran. I'm 100% sure your opinion about Islam will change. Same goes for the Bible too.

    And please ignore 'sweetsara' she get emotional very quickly. :)
     
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  6. Ckrismoney

    Ckrismoney Well-Known Member

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    #226
    I'm not going through all that when I can see the translation is sufficient.

    Plus no one who says they know the quran can explain the meaning of that.

    Learn Arabic is just a punch line used when there's nothing left to say.

    There's is only ONE GOD of ONE BOOK make your choice based on a prophet who was savage, lying, racist, and changing.

    OR, a Prophet Who was peaceful, honest, all loving and unchanging.

    Your choice!
     
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  7. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #227
    The thing to understanding Islam and the Quarn, is, it is primarily "made up" as you go along. From there, anything is open to interpretation, and there are literally thousands upon thousands of excuses for anything and everything. If there is no explanation, one can be convienently created.
     
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  8. Ckrismoney

    Ckrismoney Well-Known Member

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    #228
    Here's a cool vid that explains the quran by an Arab http://youtube.com/watch?v=ujDTa7mD-s0&feature=related
     
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    #229
    I love when religious fanatics argue about who's religion is the true religion :).
     
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    #230
    iul, got any popcorn?
     
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  11. sweetsara

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    #231
    Actually, I have read the Bible and Torah many times, they are a part of our faith as we believe they are from God, just that they have been corrupted over time.

    Proof that it has no divine inspiration?

    Proof that the prophet was contradicting and savage? Many neutral non Muslim analysts and theologists have said Muhammed was a saviour to mandkind, he gave women rights that they only got in the western world 60 years ago, he gave financial freedom to everyone, he free'd slaves. He taught morals that nobody else had at the time, here is a story.

    There was a Muslim army and they were about to fight their enemy and this was on disputed land, but they said that it would be unlawful and unfair to attack these people unexpectedly, so they warned and told these people about it before they did so. The enemy said, these people are so gracious! If only our leaders were as rightful as you, thus, the people joined together and lived in the town peacefully and the enemy converted to Islam.

    Another time, where a Muslim army was in control of a city, as they were leaving, they gave all the tax back that was handed in, gave all the property and houses back to the people instead of selling it. The people were so thankful and only wished their overthrown leaders were like that, they all immediatley converted to Islam by saying that if Islam has taught these men of understanding how to act, then "I want to be part of this Most Gracious religion!"

    The Jews broke the covenant by denieing prophets, it was their fault, you are silly to blame that on God.

    God can see in the future, and past and present.

    Did you know Adam built the Kaaba in Mecca, then Abraham (PBUH) rebuilt the Kaaba in Mecca, with direct instructions from God?
     
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  12. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #232
    Which ones are you reading then, the corrupt, or uncorrupt versions?:rolleyes:

    BTW, that is a rhetorical question. You don't have to answer that. Actually, I'd kinda prefer it if you did not.
     
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  13. Ckrismoney

    Ckrismoney Well-Known Member

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    #233
    The quran was written by the memory of soldiers who said they memorized it. Who was there to doubt them, nobody else memorized it.


    There was a Muslim army and they were about to fight their enemy .... and they lived happily ever after...yeh right!


    Why do muslims always move from the quran to a story? No other civilization that was killed by muslims every have those nice stories not even today are those stories unfolding before our eyes.


    In the Bible HE said they would deny the Messiah and He would judge them harshly for it.

    GOD said HE would turn back to Israel in the last days and they will have their land back.
    That has happened.



    We're debating GOD not Adam and Abraham. Please stop with the stories. They have no values.

    The Bible tells of everything that will befall Israel. GOD says HE would lead them to victory. The detailed list of defeted countries against Israel is specific.

    The BIBLE testifies to GOD attention to detail, and HIS JUDGMENT.
    That's called proof not stories.

    If you cant look around and see your holy books predictions coming to past like it was a sneek peek at the step by step process of the world, than it can't be the same GOD
    The only prediction I hear muslims claim came to past are the ones that are already in the BIBLE.
     
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  14. ncz_nate

    ncz_nate Well-Known Member

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  15. sweetsara

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    #235
    Good post nate, Islam is all about Oneness, the oneness of God.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oneness_of_God_(Islam)

    Once again, no source. The Quran was revealed to Muhammed through Angel Gabriel and then he wrote down the revelations as he was commanded.

    This is a disputed prophecy since it is in the Bible which is unreliable and corrupted. But some people, even Muslims do take this prophecy for real and say it is reffering to the Palestinians getting the land back, because they were the only people living peacefully there, ever since the Zionist state was formed there has been fighting.

    I guess God punished Israel when they were humiliatingly defeated by Hezbollah in 2006? :eek::rolleyes:

    Ok. So what if I show you prophecies in the Quran that have happened? What will you do? Say it is 'Evident sourcery' (as the Quran says about people like you), or will you convert? ;)
     
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    #236

    I hear it was revealed to a 9 year old too. .:eek:
     
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  17. ncz_nate

    ncz_nate Well-Known Member

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    #237
    I just thought of something.. religions are like referral systems, once you've recruited everyone, then what?

    Not discounting the practices of religion, but rather the proof that yours is the best. Use it as a means of interpretation of God and it's only natural. But I highly doubt that any loving God would throw out those who didn't believe in a certain practice. With the thousands of different sub-branches (maybe more), can you honestly imagine only 1 being correct?
     
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  18. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #238
    You get your balls cut off, where white tennis shoes and wait for the mother ship!
     
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  19. Ckrismoney

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    #239
    I was just checking out mohameds hadith (2nd most holy book in islam) like I do sometimes, and here's another crazy one:

    Yawning is from Satan.

    The prophet(mohamed) said, "Yawning is from Satan and if anyone of you yawns, he should check his yawning as much as possible, for if anyone of you (during the act of yawning) should say: "Ha", Satan will laugh at him." Vol. 2:158

    This guy was no prophet.
     
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  20. sweetsara

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    #240
    Do you have a link? That is lame proof though for claiming he isn't a prophet, it is sad you can not respond to my long post with dignity.
     
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