Question for Atheists ( Who doesnt believe to existence of God)

I see you completely ignored 2, "polite" teen.

While it is a person's right to believe as they wish, such as my disbelief in God, that does not give them the right to harm others - kindly don't compare my disbelief in God to the belief other people have no rights - you're basically saying that to not believe in God makes you a bad person, when sadly horrible things are done every minute of every day in the name of "God".

The fact that your prophet Mohammad said that that those who experience the most stress on earth are "among the people of Paradise" is quite frankly just one more reason why while I might one day believe in a God, it will most certainly not be your God.

My response to this was more that I could be convinced to believe, possibly, under the most rare and extreme circumstances, in the God who the Christians or Jews recognize - however I could never believe in a Muslim God because I, if we are being honest, detest Islamic countries. The laws, the "codes", the control - to me your religion is a good reason not to believe God exists, because he would never have created such things if he were truly great.

Just how I feel.

 

All Hail the Paper Cup God. He does not ask, and he does not give. He merely is.

 

Of course.

You have no right to harm the muslims by uttering bad words against their Lord and His prophets, peace be upon them.

If you hurt my feeling in the name of your freedom, I will hurt yours in the name of my freedom.

I agree with what you said.

So people have to follow your words to know what is right and what is wrong, what they can believe and what they cannot believe, yes?

23. And your Lord has decreed that you worship none but Him. And that you be dutiful to your parents. If one of them or both of them attain old age in your life, say not to them a word of disrespect, nor shout at them but address them in terms of honour.

24. And lower unto them the wing of submission and humility through mercy, and say: "My Lord! Bestow on them Your Mercy as they did bring me up when I was small."

25. Your Lord knows best what is in your inner-selves. If you are righteous, then, verily, He is Ever Most Forgiving to those who turn unto Him again and again in obedience, and in repentance.

26. And give to the kindred his due and to the poor and to the wayfarer. But spend not wastefully (your wealth) in the manner of a spendthrift.

27. Verily, spendthrifts are brothers of the devils, and the Devil is ever ungrateful to his Lord.

28. And if you (O Muhammad PBUH) turn away from them and you are awaiting a mercy from your Lord for which you hope, then, speak unto them a soft kind word.

29. And let not your hand be tied (like a miser) to your neck, nor stretch it forth to its utmost reach (like a spendthrift), so that you become blameworthy and in severe poverty.

30. Truly, your Lord enlarges the provision for whom He wills and straitens (for whom He wills). Verily, He is Ever All-Knower, All-Seer of His slaves.

31. And kill not your children for fear of poverty. We provide for them and for you. Surely, the killing of them is a great sin.

32. And come not near to the unlawful sexual intercourse. Verily, it is a shamefull, and an evil way.

33. And do not kill anyone which Allâh has forbidden, except for a just cause. And whoever is killed (intentionally with hostility and oppression and not by mistake), We have given his heir the authority [(to demand Qisâs, Law of Equality in punishment or to forgive, or to take Diya (blood money)]. But let him not exceed limits in the matter of taking life (i.e he should not kill except the killer only). Verily, he is helped (by the Islâmic law).

34. And come not near to the orphan's property except to improve it, until he attains the age of full strength. And fulfil the covenant. Verily! the covenant, will be questioned about.

35. And give full measure when you measure, and weigh with a balance that is straight. That is good (advantageous) and better in the end.

36. And follow not (O man i.e., say not, or do not or witness not, etc.) that of which you have no knowledge. Verily! The hearing, and the sight, and the heart, of each of those you will be questioned (by Allâh).

37. And walk not on the earth with conceit and arrogance. Verily, you can neither rend nor penetrate the earth, nor can you attain a stature like the mountains in height.

38. All the bad aspects of these (the above mentioned things) are hateful to your Lord.

39. This is (part) of wisdom which your Lord has inspired to you (O Muhammad PBUH). And set not up with Allâh any other ilâh (god) lest you should be thrown into Hell, blameworthy and rejected.

 

Oh I'm sorry; did I imply you'd hurt my feelings? No - not at all - I simply meant that your comparison was unfounded and frankly profoundly, (and I do mean profoundly,) stupid. Comparing a disbelief in God and a belief in harming others is simply the viewpoint of someone who lives in ignorance and is blinded by their religion. (In your case.)

I don't think that I am doing you harm by uttering the truth about Muslims - how is this harmful to you? Does the truth make you feel ashamed or confused in some way?

I have no idea how you got that I think people should believe what I do - where on earth is that coming from? Just because I said a disbelief in God is not the same as a disbelief in human rights, or alternatively the right to treat others poorly; how does that translate to "everyone should think what I think!" - please explain your logic behind this. (If there is any logic, I think you're just ranting and raving mindlessly, to be honest.)

Lastly, why add all those meaningless quotes? Do they serve any purpose in this discussion? Because I'm not seeing it. Is it just that you have nothing else to say?

Also, for the record, I don't agree with any of your quotes. I am not dutiful to one parent, who is a narcissist, nor do I feel repentant about what you would view as sins.

Personally I am all for pre marital sex and boozing it up - sorry polite teen QQ.

 

If an arm grew back instantaneously during a healing prayer, that would be convincing. But it wouldn't be 100% proof...

I'm not sure what it would take to get me to believe in Jebus, Yahweh, Ahura Mazda, or Allah...

 

I just saw this and figured this thread was as good as any to post it.

 

LOL - that's awesome. Although I hope to move from Atheist to Scientologist soon. (Not in real life, just what that chart is telling me to do )

 

Yeah, my wife says I am half way there.

 

~ Christianity is a belief not a religion. An abstraction from a religion that makes suitable the interpretations that sustain a specific life style as is true of all sects.

~ The physical presence of God is the Garden of Eden from which all is derived, is the religion from which all sects have evolved. The evolution of beliefs/sects is what hampers man for rather than seeing God through the Garden as individuals, groups form and use interpretations for what is solely an individual quest and by doing so the sight of God is lost.

~ Viewing the Garden we live in eventually will lead to ones finding God.

 

As far as I know several (most in number, not membership) religions past and present are most definitely not from some original source.

 

are Buddhists religious atheists ?

 

No at all.

If you said something that is true, it would be appreciated.

If you attribute falsehood to the truth, you would harm me.

Because it is your posts that I am replying for. Thus, I needed to quote them.

When I reply for someone, I quote his/her posts.

After noticing that you are deep in ignorance, I wanted to quote some light from the Quran to fill your mind with a lot of noble meanings.

Sadly, your mind was too narrow that it held no meaning at all.

As a loving person, I would like to help you, so I am offering you a chance to share not only my mind, but also my life.

NOTE: This offer is available for 5 minutes from now, after that it will be only available in dreams.

This is the reason why there are bad things happen to good people. It is because those who do bad things don't consider what they do as wrong. They think they have the right to do what they wish.

 

Time is up.

Hope you will find another man that is better than me and you will live with him a nice noble life alexispetrov.

 

Polite teen, how am I not speaking the truth? I personally find the Qu'ran sickening and I detest the way that Islamic countries is wrong. I believe the marriage of children, the raping of wives, stoning of women and oppression is absolutely deplorable and that people who can live that way never fully evolved from monkeys - but again I am stating that these are my feelings; and I assure you that is the absolute truth.

Also - I was referring to your quotes of the Qu'ran, many of which seemed highly unrelated to the topic at hand.

I will state too that you believe I am ignorant because I disagree with Qu'ran; however this is not ignorance, merely intelligence. I believe in science and logic; not fairy tales, or in this case, horror stories.

Last up - you claim that the reason bad things happen to good people is truly because I said that I do things you'd consider sinful, then you are greatly mistaken.

Me and my (very) noble man will have a wonderful life together; with our drinking and our mind blowing sex - and if you think that that is the reason for all the evil in the world then you should open your eyes and look at your own backwards culture where women can be raped by their husbands, publicly flogged for wearing pants and where the greatest honor is to blow oneself up in the name of a god who allowed the rape of a 9 year old child by the so called prophet.

And don't worry, finding a man better than you is as easy as going to the local homeless shelter and adopting one - finding a woman who will think differently, now that is an impossible task.

 

The Light guide its follower, and blind its opponents.

Yes, you are evolved monkeys, but we are not.

We are human since the begining. This is why we finish those who try to deform our noble status.

Marriage of children is not part of the religion (i.e. our religion is not based on such thing, I can marry 100 years old girl and I will be still non-violant muslim for the rule of Islam). It is just lwaful as long as it build a nice life for both pairs, but if it destroy the life of one of them, then it is forbidden. Thus, your opinion is not of concern.

You don't know this fact because of many reasons that will be exposed sooner.

Raping wives/husbands is not part of the religion.
BTW, I wouldn't mind if my wife rape me, she is my wife and I am her.

Sex in a shape that must be put in context to be understood.

Marriage is a language of construction.
Adultery is a language of distruction.


Oppression is forbidden in Islam.

Lo! Allah enjoineth justice and kindness, and giving to kinsfolk, and forbiddeth lewdness and abomination and wickedness. He exhorteth you in order that ye may take heed. (90)

Science and logic are servants for the Quran. Their duty is to show Its truth and validity.

Look for the scientific miracles in Islam before you post any thing.

My very noble girl and me will have a wonderful life together; I drink her love and she drink mine. No need for wine.

Yes, drinking wine caused you many problems.

The greatest Honor is to live for God and die for Him.

Dying for God is life.
Living for other than God is death.

God Glory be to Him is The Creator.

The lawful is that which He has allowed, the forbidden is that which He has forbid and the religion is that which He has set.

The Order is His Order, The creatures are His creatures, and The slaves are His slaves.

He cannot be questioned as to what He does, while they will be questioned. (23)

This is Justice, and we are polite with our Lord who tought us politness and made us noble.

BTW, Saudi culture is not Islam, Islam is above all cultures. FACT.

If you know a girl that was publicly flogged for wearing pants, then know also that there is a women that has been killed for wearing Hijab in a western country.

Going down is easy.

 

your asking people to tellyou why they dont believe in God and what would make them believe in god.. and then you ask not to speak about history and politics.. probably the 2 most important factors.. why you believe in god..

doesnt really speak well of ur knowledge.

 

The light? Do you consider the dark ages you live in to be "light", teen?

Also you say it is allowed when it does not destroy the life of one party for a child to wed - how is the rape and molestation of young children not going to destroy their life? "It's ok little girl, I'm your husband." Sickening. The fact you could ever condone it or believe it to be good for a child to be sexually assaulted speaks volumes about your retarded littled head.

The one part here that defies all logic and you failed HARD at; "If you know a girl that was publicly flogged for wearing pants, then know also that there is a women that has been killed for wearing Hijab in a western country."

Do you mean to imply that the number of women killed in Western countries for wearing a Hijab is at least as great as the number of women flogged or stoned in Islamic countries? Is so I must say that you are terribly, terribly misinformed, and should learn to read and pay attention to the world around you.

You rant and rave and talk about your God - but you just fail to provide any logic. Quoting mindlessly, blindly, doesn't help your case - when there is no logical argument you simply try to use the words of an imaginary God to justify your thoughts.

The way women are treated in Islam is wrong. Muslims trying to infiltrate and change Western culture is wrong. Raping a wife, or having multiple wives, is wrong - and condoning the rape of children is wrong.

If you ever find a woman willing to procreate with you, or just you rape one; how are you going to feel when some 60 year old is moaning and groaning on top of her?

I (literally) cry for children of your culture.

 

Got to realize your remarks.

By the way, if your God needs people to die for him then it's not God but Satan. You're talking like what? I leave it up to others to judge.

 

I agree with Arnie - also polite teen; if Islam forbids oppression then you are just one big fat infidel, aren't you?

 

As you have seen, some want a phone call, some want God to "make them" believe, some want to "see God" ..etc

I think, it will depend on each atheist, as they are not all the same, some are atheists, because they do not agree with some of the "images" or "definitions" some others have about God, when one say, I won't believe till God phone call me, you can easily know what image or definition this person has about God, a man, sitting on a desk maybe, with phone line, or maybe internet connection, in other words, he thinks that God is a man, and the existence of God should be like his existence, meaning, God should have a defined location, and God should occupy a place for him to believe in, and then, God should call him, or make a physical connection, and God should stop his mind, and reprogram him to believe always, without the have to use minds,

so first step will come from them, by asking how did they reach to this belief of there is no God,

God existence is different than human existence, because God existed before the space, we occupy, before the time we use, and before the whole universe, God is not a part of universe, so you can't compare God to anything in universe, by giving him an image from this universe,

it must be noted that some atheists are much better than those who believe because they found their parents believers, they make a use of the mind that been given to them by God, even if they failed in knowing God, at least they tried and studied, compared, thought, and did not just follow blindly, but their work was not complete, they succeeded in knowing about the false gods, but they did not prove yet that there is no God,

some atheists, when they do not follow others, they "do not follow" blindly too, they stop following others blindly which is great, but they start following their own theories blindly, some even will think, they are gods, by surrender to the idea that there is no God just because they rejected the definition of God or the image of God made by some, example, they see some worshiping Sun, they know Sun can't be a God who created universe, but Sun is part of universe, this is great that they been able to know this and distinguish themselves from those who worshiped Sun blindly, but they stopped trying to know God then, so they unintentionally shared Sun worshipers by stop looking for the real God who created universe and everything in it, except here instead of having Sun as a false god, they have blank as god,

the blank, will contradict with what they have known in science about cause and effect, for answers about how the universe existed, notice here how they judged that there is no God, before they have clear answers about how the universe existed, so they keep looking, and the answers they are looking for now, should support the pre-belief they made about no existence of God, which actually means (there must be no God that we can reach with our senses, because our senses, and the tools we made so far to help empowering them, can only reach inside universe) if been asked, how you explain the start of universe? they tell you big bang, which is true in someway, but who caused this big bang?

this takes them to ask, if God created universe then who created God, they again put God back in the universe, his creature, when God is uncreated, and nothing like him, when we say nothing, it includes every "thing" we know, and everything we know is part of this universe, when God existed before universe and everything in it,

when you ask them about our existence as human being, they say evolution, but who caused an orange to evolve to serve us by being our food? it is even sliced unlike the apple, to make it easier to eat it because it is juicy, does the orange tree have hands, so she wanted it's fruit sliced to be easier for her to eat it, and evolved it in that way?

your question Ziya, can't be answered in a post or few posts, but the main points, is to remove any false images they have about God, then more science, and with that, not all will believe, if they always kept thinking that they knew it all, this is the case since long, some do not even know how they reached the point where they do not believe, so I think, trying to "make them" believe, won't be of any use if they do not start themselves to ask questions and find answers, and not consider that they knew it all already, just because they found others worshiping Sun for example and because they know Sun can't be God.

most from both sides, believers, and non-believers, will try to give his best sentence that will prove that God exists, or do not exist, to make the other believe, or not believe, it won't be of any use, if the person kept thinking he knew it all, and kept ignoring so many unanswered questions, for some, their minds were locked on Sun as God, and refused anything else, for some atheists, it is not much different, their minds are locked on no God, even when they know they are still looking for answers, but they are much more advanced than those whom their minds been locked on God as a man, or Sun, or moon, or cow, or idol, yet you wonder why some atheists are still look for a new image to believe? a God making phone calls? God walking in front of them, telling them, I m God? when there is nothing like God.