Question about Keyword Density

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by trosquin, Jan 15, 2010.

  1. #1
    I have some auto dealer websites I SEO a bit (see signiture) well lately I have been paying a bit more attention to keyword density.

    So I was wondering what should the keyword density be for a city I am targeting....ie: infiniti los angeles? Whats an accepted percentage....now how about a secondary city.....say riverside?

    Also whats a good keyword percentage for things like parts, or service?

    Or does it really matter? Should I just be writing content for the User and not worrying about density?
     
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  2. Camay123

    Camay123 Well-Known Member

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    You must have a great density because you are on 1st page of Google.com for:

    infiniti los angeles (8th) and Los Angeles Infiniti (4th)

    Keyword density also englobes all elements of your sites, link onsite links anchor etc...

    For "infiniti los angeles", I dont see it once on your site. So 0% density. For infinity alone you have 7%

    For "los angeles infinity" I dont see it once on your site. So 0% density. For infinity alone you have 7%

    Hope this help
     
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  3. funkymario

    funkymario Notable Member

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    keyword density was a topic that people used to discuss in 1999-2003. it's not a factor anymore (some may even argue that i was never a factor), however, i believe that having your keyword or variations of it at least once on your body text does help.
     
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    Camay123 Well-Known Member

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    How can keyword density not be a factor anymore ?

    If a page is 40% density, thats clearly over optimising and i believe google or other search engine are still picking up on keyword stuffing.

    I actually think that nowadays, keyword density applies to h1, title, description, alt tags etc... all seo factor should use proper keyword density so it does look natural and not keyword stuffing.
     
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  5. funkymario

    funkymario Notable Member

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    i am not talking about "what are the best ways to get your website penalized", i am talking about what matters with "normal" websites. there are many ways to get your website penalized, you can cloak you pages, you can link to 500 viagra and porn sites from your homepage, that is no argument.. and h1's are useless nowadays too. you are free to believe the contrary. how can that ugly big 1992 Tag have any effect on today's 2010 web 2.0 websites, or do you think that using the h1 + css to reduce it's size is the way to outsmart google and get great rankings.

    And not using your targeted keywords 10 times in your title is no "density"; it's just "common sense", when people talk about keyword density , (excuse me, "used to talk") they were referring to how many times one should use his keywords in his body text.

    thx.
     
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    Camay123 Well-Known Member

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    Im not talking about gettting site penalise also.

    h1 are still usefull. Why would Matt cutts say himself to still use it in 2009 and do use css to make it beautifull.
     
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    funkymario Notable Member

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    matt was not recommending h1's to people, he was just answering the question of a noob who wanted to use h1 tags more than once in probably his "1995 style site", get over it already :D
     
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    Camay123 Well-Known Member

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    Matt selected that question because it was a good question. They do not answer all noob question. They would have said, do not use header tags as they are useless.....

    Google owns SEO basics guide made in 2008 suggest using header tags, read here:

    http://www.google.com/webmasters/docs/search-engine-optimization-starter-guide.pdf

    why would they suggest it if it has no value at all ? I still belive it is good practice to use header tags properly.
     
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    as i said, you are free to believe that h1 tags help, i don't, i even added those ugly tags in 30 of my websites in 2008, just to see if they would have any impact on my rankings, (at the time i already was convinced that they are usless), never the less, i tried, and they didn't help a bit, the only thing they achieved is a higher bounce rate because the sites became ugly, and i didn't use css to reduce their size back to normal, because my common sense tells me that google is smarter than that.
     
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    you can use 3-5% of keyword density for a city name.......................
     
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  11. trosquin

    trosquin Active Member

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    Wow...this is the most rediculous statement of the week! Of course keywords density plays a huge part! I have 2 honda dealers in Atlanta....the one site that has "Accord" in it more ranks better for Accord keywords...this is directly due to keywords in content!
     
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    it's funny, because all the real SEO experts in the SEO community (not digitalpoint) think that keyword density is useless, here are some quotes from some of the top guys in the SEO industry (the cream of the crop), and those are not only RECOGNIZED experts, but they also hang out with google engineers like matt cuts, adam lasnik and many others on a weekly basis:

    Rand Fishkin:

    Aaron Wall:

    Jim Boykin;

    Ruud Hein:


    Paul Stevens:

    Bill Slawski:

    Barry Welford:



    By the way if your page is about keywords x and u write content for your users, it's only natural to use "keyword x" and some of it's variations in your content, that is no density.. people used to use the "keyword density" term to refer to the "optimal" ratio of your target keywords to the rest of the words on a webpage.

    The SEO learning process can be compared to a child growing up, feel free to believe in SANTA for now, in a few years when you are grown up you will learn that santa is a myth, you draw conclusions from your experience with 1 site? i have a portfolio of almost 1000 websites, in niches ranging from gaming to wedding to writing to dancing to directories, and i launch networks in BULK (50 to 100 websites at once), so i am able to see "patterns" better than you, i order on digitalpoint alone $3000 of content each month and the last thing that i tell my writers to worry about is "density", i ask for high quality / compeling content, i write for the users and then optimise the meta tags for the search engines, i end up not only ranking for my targeted keywords, but also for loads of long tail keywords.

    never draw conclusions from stuff you read on DP or from owning 1 or a few websites..

    google the work of Dr. Edel Garcia on keyword density, he has published some amazing pieces of research about this subject, also read this:


    http://www.searchenginepeople.com/blog/how-search-really-works-the-keyword-density-myth.html

    http://www.seomoz.org/ugc/seo-myths-that-persist-keyword-density

    good luck.
     
    Last edited: Jan 18, 2010
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    I am interested to hear Mario's opinion what really matters then for SEO if not keyword density, nor h1 tags.... may be nor backlinks, no domain, nor.....
     
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    the quality of your "content" and your link portfolio are the most important ranking factors, your Domain and the age of your website are important factors too.
     
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    But how will Google evaluate my keywords which I chose as my "favourite"? I mean I have a goal to rank high for a certain keyword; if density, h1 tags don't matter as well as description and keywords tags, then how can I show him which keywords I try to promote?
     
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    please don't come up with stuff then ask me questions, i never said that the description tags doesn't matter, your Title tag is the most important "onpage" seo factor, followed by your description. apart from those two + your domain name, you should let google do it's job, and focus on doing yours : Giving original high quality and compelling content to your users, and then cheating a little bit by building some high quality links.
     
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    Use keywords at least once or twice in website text (More times if the content warrants it) and don't overuse them. That's all there is to it.
     
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    i think that Keyword density is one of the most important factor in Search engine optimization, because Density of Key word will show much your website is search engine friendly.

    and One more thing is that Make sure that Your website don't have more than Standard terms.
     
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