Q. Do Muslims believe in the virgin birth of Jesus?

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  1. sebastya

    sebastya Well-Known Member

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    #21
    gworld i think you should write a book bro, you know so much, i'd love to hear it all. :D :D :D
     
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  2. Arnie

    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    #22
    Only you and the book of templars, 'the holy grail' :D, doesn't make you an expert of anything. The sources you're are pointing were written recently and make no sense.

    All the wittnesses of that time were liers?

    Remember, the Romans, the Roman Catholics and the Jews most of all are very strict when it comes to facts and to write them down. That has never changed.
     
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  3. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #23
    There is no witness from the time of Jesus, in fact while Roman historians were very good and even mentioned small floods in different areas, there is no historic document that Jesus ever existed. :rolleyes:
     
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  4. procrastinator

    procrastinator Peon

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    #24
    Its time we had a ISLAM forum , jeez whats the big deal man , why are there so many muslim threads.
     
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  5. Arnie

    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    #25
    What about Peter, John and the many others who were with Jesus. Peter even asked to be crucified upsite down because he didn't think to deserve to die like Jesus. Also a fiction?
     
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    siyah Peon

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    #26
    No historical proof of Jesus! Now that's a new line. :rolleyes: I hope someday the same can be said of George W. Bush. Then maybe the world can pretend that he never walked the earth to darken our days. :D
     
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  7. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #27
    YES. There is no historical documents from any known historians about these events. ALL THE STORIES starts couple of centuries later than supposedly when this person, Jesus existed. ;)
     
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  8. Arnie

    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    #28
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  9. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #29
    You mean, you want to use the story book to prove the story? :rolleyes:

    Is there any historical document by Roman or Jew historians from supposed time that Jesus existed that mentions these events? ;)
     
    gworld, Apr 29, 2007 IP
  10. Arnie

    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    #30
    yes there are, in the secret archieves of the Vatican. But since the roman catholics didn't look good in what they were doing that time(it was all about power for them), they never thought to make it public officially, though the info was used by leaking it to the scholars. Some day we will get it, I'm pretty confident about that.

    Hey man, 350 cows lost their lives because the whole scripts were written on leather starting as early as from the second century.

    Get some faith man, Jesus is real.:)
     
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    #31
    Mohammed had no knowledge yet he wrote the Koran ? :rolleyes:
     
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    #32
    Cosmic, I made the same point on page 1, and he has yet to answer to it...figures.
     
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  13. CosmicRay

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    #33
    At the Koran has nothing original in it.
    Why would God need another prophet to bring nothing new to
    debates that were thousands and hundreds for years old already ?:rolleyes:
     
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  14. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #34
    LOL. :D If these are secret documents then how do you know about it? :rolleyes: Did the secret agents of NSA told you about this when you were passing them secret notes? :D

    There is no historical proof that Jesus ever existed and that is the reason, anything which can remotely resemble a historical proof of his existence is such a big deal and is used in different frauds by con artists.
     
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  15. Realm

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    #35
    He never wrote the Quran...do some reading;)
     
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    #36
    Oh yes "Allah" wrote the Koran. Muhammad just took dictation.

    But that leads me to wonder why "Allah" thought that Jews and Christians believed they were the biological children of God.

    If Muhammad wrote the Koran, such ignorance could be chalked up to unlearnedness which Muslims claim Muhammad was.

    I'm not sure why "Allah" who knows all would be ignorant on this point.

    If Jews and Christians didn't believe they were the biological children of God (and Allah knew this) then when the Quran claims Jews and Christians are NOT the children of God because they are human then no one is a child of God even in "we were all created by God" sense.

    Which is interesting because Muslims keep claiming they are the children of God in that sense.

    So which is it? Was Allah wrong or are you all lying to us?
     
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    #37
    If you can not get prescription for drugs that you need then try borrowing some from Arnie. :rolleyes:
     
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    Realm Well-Known Member

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    #38
    muslims aren't the children of god...we are his servants

    I agree with gworld, get some help;)
     
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  19. Arnie

    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    #39
    I do understand that you defend your buddies interests @ DMOZ, but that doesn't mean that Jesus didn't exist.

    Check your attitude. You're acting like a noob. After running out of arguemets your're getting nasty, like a Jihadi, are You? Sure!!!

    Are you doing drugs with them, human smuggling too, dmoz business? Canada has a great reputation about that. Are you one of those? It seems so.
     
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  20. gworld

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    #40
    You don't make sense, did you forget to take your medication? :rolleyes:

    Show one historical document from the time that Jesus supposedly existed that mentions Jesus. It was very common for Romans to crucify people who claimed to be Messiah in that time and Jesus story has it's roots in Persian mythology and the worship of Sun as God. Even the supposed birth day of Jesus is the day of this God in old Roman Calendar. ;)
     
    gworld, Apr 30, 2007 IP