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Putting Together Specific Terms Of Service

Discussion in 'Co-op Advertising Network' started by digitalpoint, Dec 22, 2004.

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  1. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #81
    Sorry, if it's similar to the co-op, it would not be allowed.
     
    digitalpoint, Jan 16, 2005 IP
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    #82
    The rules are similar to the coopa, so i thought it can be allowed.

    What systems will be allowed ?
     
    eclipse, Jan 16, 2005 IP
  3. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #83
    If it's similar to the co-op, then it would not be allowed. Forms of advertising that would be allowed on ad network sites would be things like AdSense (contextual), banner ads based on traffic/impressions, etc.
     
    digitalpoint, Jan 16, 2005 IP
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    eclipse Peon

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    #84
    Basicaly all link exchange systems will not be allowed, no matter if they promote only quality sites ?

    Is there any thing we can do to make this polish system be allowed ?
     
    eclipse, Jan 16, 2005 IP
  5. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #85
    You can use a link exchange system. Just not something similar to the co-op ad network. A good (general) rule of thumb would be anything that determines the advertisers value to the network algorithmically, rather than based on traffic or impressions. A reciprocal link exchange does not fall into that category.
     
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    #86
    So i understand that regular link exchange systems like linkmarket . net are allowed, banner exchange systems and other alos. Not allowed are systems that value advertisers based od PR and pumber of pages in the site ?

    It's a pitty we can't use both systems, because we get a lot of trafic from users clicking links (links are only on polish sites and in polish language) and it's promoting realy useful sites.
     
    eclipse, Jan 16, 2005 IP
  7. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #87
    I agree that the TOS should be e-mailed to all network users.

    I read the new TOS yesterday.

    After sleeping on it to give myself time to think it over, I removed the DigitalPoint ad network from my participating web site this morning.

    I was in violation of the TOS for participating in multiple ad networks concurrently.

    At this point, it appears that:
    • The YourCAN folks are on ethically questionable ground for copying Shawn's code
    • Shawn is on ethically questionable ground for committing restraint of trade
    • I am on ethically questionable ground for running the two ad networks concurrently, in violation of the TOS.

    If two wrongs don't make a right -- do three? :confused:

    I would like to state clearly that I am open to hearing all arguments. I am far more confused than I am decided.

    However, at this point, I feel it best to remove myself from the DP ad network.
     
    Will.Spencer, Jan 16, 2005 IP
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    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #88
    Exclusivity is pretty common for web based systems. While I think it's a compliment, I certainly don't consider the co-op ad network to be a monopoly in the advertising world.

    I would consider Google a bigger monopoly in the search engine world, and they have exclusivity written into their AdSense terms/conditions.
     
    digitalpoint, Jan 16, 2005 IP
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    anthonycea Banned

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    #89
    Yes and I do not like that Shawn, since I can not use Bidvertiser or other contextual programs on my sites.

    Google is now showing banners, what will be next, not being able to have other banners on your pages?

    I have no gripes with your co-op as I have not used it, nor been approved to use it. I applied but never heard back.

    I have never used any co-op link/advertising exchange.
     
    anthonycea, Jan 16, 2005 IP
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    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #90
    Excellent point about the Google TOS.
     
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    #91
    Just my opinion, but I don't really see a way a site could benefit from having two different types of contextual advertising anyway- especially when Adsense is head and shoulders above all competition as far as accuracy is concerned.
     
    schlottke, Jan 16, 2005 IP
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    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #92
    In theory someone will eventually come along and create a credible competitor to AdSense.

    It ain't here yet.

    However, in the interim, I am consistently searching for a useful adsense-alternate-ad for when AdSense fails to find an ad for my page. This is very frequent on one of my web sites with 5k+ unique visitors a day.
     
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    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #93
    No doubt... I wish someone would come up with something to compete with AdSense. Competition is always good. If nothing else, it might drive AdSense to add new features and such. I can think of about 10 cool things I wish AdSense would do.
     
    digitalpoint, Jan 16, 2005 IP
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    #94
    I did read in fact a month or so ago that Overture is coming out with a competitive program for publishers similar to Adsense, so it is on the way.

    There are others also, see the one Josh uses on his site called Targetsomething?

    That does not mean you can use them on the same page folks, Google will not let you do it.

    So I guess you can use them on different pages without Adsense, but I see other vendors allowing you to mix contextual ads down the road.
     
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    Olney Berserker

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    #95
    I for one will firmly use this site's Coop network.
    I see it working in just abou 2 weeks I'm getting hits to my site from Yahoo from Keywords I prayed that I could get & now I'm like #2 for those.

    But is other banner exchanges fine?
    The text network will be the Coop but I need some visual banners on my sites too for niched market.

    Also I believe AnthonyCEA wrote about someone stealing the adshare idea.

    I'm one of those people who added it to one of my sites but I first found it cause a member named Bling made the Mod & I believe I found this site later on an unrelated search.

    He does credit this site but at that time I wasn't heavily into SEO until after I finished development.
    Just my words to say not everyone stole it from here. Some got it from people who copied the idea from this site. Like moi...

    Also is there a donations link on the site someplace?
     
    Olney, Jan 17, 2005 IP
  16. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #96
    Banner exchange networks are fine. A loose definition of what would be similar (and not allowed concurrently) would be anything that determines the value of a site to the network algorithmically instead of based on stats (traffic, impressions, etc.)

    There is a donations page up currently at http://www.digitalpoint.com/tools/donate.html Donations will not be accepted once we reached the goal for new servers (I think it's 77% of the way there already).
     
    digitalpoint, Jan 17, 2005 IP
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    #97
    I personally think you should add a small text link on the front top of the forums. I think many more members would donate.

    It's not much but I just dropped $25 to help out.
     
    Olney, Jan 17, 2005 IP
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