Public School field trip takes kids to Mosque; taught to bow and pray to MO

No, I am not OK with that, neither parents of those kids should. Parents should be asked for permission, of course. And apology is lame.

Why do ask me all this? Did I say taking permission from parents was not necessary? Or you presume that I am thinking that way? Please let me know.

I have read the article.

And the reason of posting that picture as response was not that I approve "not-taking-the-permission" thing.

I posted because OP and article was giving wrong impression by manipulating news, taking the mosque thing out of context. (Propaganda?)

http://www.boston.com/news/education/k_12/articles/2010/09/17/school_visit_to_mosque_decried/?page=1

But amazingly enough no one mentioned it was part of their lessons on Judaism, Hinduism, Christianity, and Islam. No one mentioned they met Hindu religious reps, and what the reps told them.

Hypocrisy and propaganda was what got owned here. Not you, so relax.

 

of course the parents wouldn't allow their children to be brainwashed by muslims because they already brainwashed them with the christian story

 

How innovative and ethical of you .

So you would deny parents the right to teach their own offspring under the motive that the parent brainwashes the kid . This sounds much like a policy "Big Brother" would implement . I do hope you realize what enormity your policy would be .

 

I'm not denying anything to anybody, just saying that they brainwashed their kids which is an objective observation.

 

It is a biased , differently abled observation at best . You're bloging about Resveratrol which although it is old news denotes that you have some intelligence . So I'll assume you're just trolling for lulz .

 

I think you're right...

Idiot Inside, thanks for your answer.

I asked since your only response in this thread was "Owned!" in support of someone who has not expressed any criticism whatsoever, for the fact that they participated in prayer at the mosque without permission. So, yes, I did assume that you had similar viewpoints...

But, the information that they visited a church, synagogue, and met with Hindu representatives as well, is kind of a mute point, as it does not negate the fact that they participated in prayer service at the mosque without permission. Beyond that, I would also object to the lecture at the mosque as well, as I believe it crosses the line to proselytizing.

 

You are welcome.

He did not expressed the criticism but he did highlighted the mute points of incidents, which OP and blogger hided on purpose.


And you know why only mosque, prayer and lecture thing is highlighted? But not the conversation between Hindu reps or someone else? May be the guy reporting the issue have similar mentality that of blogger and OP, that is, manipulating the news as you please.

What "lesson" you think a Hindu representative would have given to kids about Hinduism? Could that be "No, please never believe in Hinduism" ..?!??

I leave the conclusion up to you.

I would also object the lecture if it was not planned and with the permission of parents. Not just about Islam but about any religion whatsoever.

 

In this story, if you omit or add that the children had taken field trips in the past to visit a church, synagogue, or met with Hindus - it really doesn't change the facts of what happened at the mosque. My reaction would be the same with or without this information. So, you can say the OP or infidelsarecool are biased, but it doesn't really make any difference to the story. Your suggestion that the Hindu representatives are proselytizing? Obviously, there haven't been reports of such in this case, but I certainly would want to know if they tell the children Hindu G-d's are the only true G-d's, and the teachers all allow them to pray to Hindu G-d's. What if, the children all took a field trip to a landmark Catholic church to study the architecture and history, and instead the priest had them participate in the Holy Communion. You don't think there would be media outrage over that?

 

Don't worry, I will vote for your porn site ahead of this.

Absolutely not. But there are other few things OP has raised, such as the one below, which are wrong

You are not good at making guesses

 

OP didn't raise anything, its the text of the article...and nothing is wrong as per my knowledge.

 

No, Sire. Not at all. But thanks for raising this point.
A Hindu representative would have told the kids these three things in all probability because this is what we Hindus hear in a religious discourse.

1. Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam - The world is a family. It emphasizes the need for unity amongst all, compassion and commitment
2. SarveJana Sukhino Bhavantu - May everyone be happy.
3. Om sahana vavatu, sahanau bhunaktu
   saha viryam karawavahai
   tejasvina vaditamastu
   ma vidvishavahai
   Om shanti shanti shanti -
   Together may we be protected
   Together may we be nourished
   Together may we work with great energy
   May our journey together be brilliant and fruitful
   May there be no bad vibes between us
   Om Peace, peace, peace

There is also a verse of very high significance on how to look at injustice/pandemonium/irreligion. That is
Yada yada hi dharmasya
Glanir bhavati bharata
Abhyutthanam adharmasya
Tadatmanam srjamy aham
Whenever and wherever there is a decline in justice, religious practice, O descendant of Bharata, and a predominant rise of injustice and irreligion-- then, (at that time) I descend Myself.

I hope this helps you understand the basic tenets on which Hinduism stands.
One important thing: proselytizing is a non issue and finds no mention in Hindu scriptures because it's understood that anyone believing in the above verses is a Hindu. There is no other way to convert to Hinduism than believing those verses.

Thank you very much.

 

You are just assuming. It doesn't make your post worth much.


We are not discussing here which religion is better and who taught what. The thing is, kids were taken to religious places without permission of their parents, where they got the _lessons on_ Judaism, Hinduism, Christianity, and Islam .. which is not acceptable.

No matter how you sugar-coat the teaching of _any_ religion, it doesn't change that fact.

For you, may be its all good to teach or tell 6th graders about Hinduism (or even Islam) without the permission of their parents. But for me, its not acceptable.

 

I didn't know that much about Hinduism, that was interesting. Thanks.

The kids had permission to go on these field trips to visit religious places. No issues at the other religious places, but, the mosque crossed the line - both in the lecture, and most especially in allowing the children to pray. The uproar is not because they visited the mosque, it's the fact they had the kids participate in the prayer ceremony (with no permission) and for some, certain things that were said in the lecture at the mosque.

 

Fine, I have no objection to this explanation

 

That is something these militant atheists seem to have a problem in understanding

 

You are imagining that I have assumed what they would do. Quote that sentence in full.
I am not shouting either that Hinduism is better. Just answered your sickly assumptions of what a Hindu representative would tell the visiting 6th graders. It was a mistake not to have added that it would take place only in a religious discourse where children are always accompanied by parents/elders even if the children are Hindus. I didn't guess some of you might want to twist it.

No matter how you sugar-coat the teaching of _any_ religion, it doesn't change that fact.
If I say Barack Obama is the president of the United States of America, it's the truth, not sugar quoting. You are only required to see things in the right perspective. But you are right, Sugar quoting will not change facts and no amount of shouting on your part will make you right.

For you, may be its all good to teach or tell 6th graders about Hinduism (or even Islam) without the permission of their parents. But for me, its not acceptable.
Congrats on your ability to hallucinate. And this is why I called you an Idiot from both inside and out in another thread. Show me one instance of me supporting it. Heh, don't know how will I get rid of this nonsensical person. It's sad some people always want to fish in a urine pot.

Thanks very much to you too. Happy that you liked my presentation skill.

Some porn peddlers find it hard to understand things in English.
Learning is something different from preaching by deceit. They are two different words in English.
Deceit= A misleading falsehood, The act of being fraudulent
Learning= The cognitive process of acquiring skill or knowledge. This comes from the psychological result of perception and reasoning

So, there is no kinda deception or force involved in learning.
On the other hand, what the mulla or whosoever that was in the Mosque did was tell the little children that there was only one god and that they should all believe him which is against their beliefs which is deceit. This could have been a learning session had the children voluntarily requested the mulla to teach them Islam, my dear porn peddler.

Added later
By the way, how do you get content for your sites? From the mullas perhaps, who keep monitoring whether couples are wearing full clothes during sex or not!

 

Apparently there is someone here who is making up stories and running on crack, just like the others.

Its quite transparent, from the way I see it. Children goes on a trip to various religious spots. Learns various religions and positive values (things you don't learn from militant atheism, by the way). Goes back home, parents find out that they went to a mosque. Parents went amok and cries wolf to the school.

A clear-cut case of Islamophobia, if you ask me.

 

Not as simple as you are desperate to make it look like now. They went on a trip to learn about various religions. Okay till now. But what you taught them there is not just objectionable but manipulative. You have no bloody right to tell anyone that there is only one god (Allah) and he is the only one to be worshiped/prayed against the beliefs of their parents who have lived their lives in different faiths which they want their children to follow.

FYI, it's not militant atheism that's a threat but Islam (Terrorism) is.

As regards to your porn business, I have no objection if you have given it up of late. Now what do for a living?

 

I am not "desperate" about it, I couldn't care less about some religious field trip. Its a common thing in Malaysian schools as well. I am not sure why the so-called civilised country called USA makes a big deal out of it.

Yep, sounds like militant atheism to me alright. I wonder if you are really a Hindu as you claimed to be elsewhere if you have a problem with religions?

The About page is very clear on what I do for a living. I have a real job, unlike some people here.

 

Its common for schools to take field trips to Christian churches and have your Muslim children take communion? You are a crack smoker, aren't you.

Don't be fooled Alevoor. Menj here only covered up his connection to the porn sites once it was made public. There may be a new name registered to the sites, but Menj is still the promoter and beneficiary. As I said earlier, hes just an unscrupulous person out to make Muslims look bad. We are better off without him.