Psychoactive Drugs>Tobacco

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  1. homebizseo

    homebizseo Peon

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    #101
    LOL .You are funny ... Make crack legal .LOL
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    If tobaaco and liquor were introduced today it may not be appoved.
     
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    #102
    Watch American Drug War, and you won't think it's such a funny idea.

    http://www.americandrugwar.com

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    #103
    Make crack legal that is still funny. Brain on drugs.

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    #104
    What's not funny, is that the CIA has been running the coke into the crack dealers for almost 30 years.

    Watch American Drug War. You'll have an entirely different perspective on drugs and the criminality of their use.
     
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    #105

    The CIA running the coke into crack dealers hands is even more of a riot. HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa.

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    Wait stop while I wipe the tears away from laughing so hard. Make crack legal that is great. HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa
     
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    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #106
    So since you obviously can not rationally debate any topic why do you even bother?

    If it was possible I'd be all for eradicating crack, I simply logically know it's not possible. I also see the damage caused by making a product illegal, especially such as crack.

    How about steroids? I do not take them, I know a lot who do. You know what one of the main problems with them are? Being made UNDERGROUND in shabby environments causes over dosed and unclean products.

    Yeah crack is nasty, it should be destroyed. Problem is it simply does not go away! But yeah we can continue to fight a failing drug war, continue to fund the criminal element, continue to let those hooked on the drug fall into the cracks and rot, continue to give up freedoms in the name of this war and continue to further bankrupt ourselves, or we could look at it rationally and try an actual solution.

    Chemically altering crack, so it is not as addictive, giving the same high. Forcing counseling, limiting how much a person can buy, using the savings from fighting the failing war and new found revenues of the taxes of the drug to educate and regulate sure sounds like a better plan to me.

    Last I checked products are not 'approved' they are brought to the market and then 'if' the government decides to act they are banned. The good ones are simply put underground and a new black market emerges. Criminals love this, the government creates through their actions a whole new product line for them with willing and waiting customers.

    The ones that were not so good simply fade away, these usually are products that were not widely used in the first place.
     
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    #107
    Grim you had me worried wanting to make crack legal. I am glad you see the dangers and just were debating.

    You may can rational debate for some drugs but you cannot rationally debate about crack. Okay... Okay... I will do the debate for your side on crack. Here it goes one rational benifit of crack is loss.

    1st you lose weight... then your car... then your house... then your wife

    What about steroids?
     
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    #108
    So you wont even look to the positives of making the substance legal.
    Forced counseling, knowing who the addicts are, taking the power away from the criminals, reduced addiction, etc, etc, etc

    I listed above.
     
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    #109
    So what? There are countless things that can lead to that. Drinking, gambling, the list goes on.
    The point is, Things shouldn't be illegal based on whether YOU think doing it is a good idea or how serious YOU think the consequences are.

    If i want to take something that may lead to me becoming bankrupt, having my home repossessed and losing my wife what's it got to do with you?

    If you were any good at producing a reasonable case you could have claimed it is detrimental to society, It contributes to crime because addicts need the funds and reduces productivity of the individual and thus damaging the countries economy. But then i would make the case that the things that make it detrimental to society are a result of it being illegal. legalising it and taxing it would result in a cleaner substance, Financing to research the production a non addictive equivalent, taxation that could go towards rehabilitation, Education and awareness.

    So far you have not made any points and made no attempt to defend your position other than repeating how bad you think it is. Do you think problems are ever solved by employing your style of discussion?
     
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    #110
    Trolls don't last long in this forum. Try to remember that.
     
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    #111
    I really did not see anything you said about steroids. You did say one thing but it was not accurate. About being made underground. yea maybe some (Balco) If you want steroids just ask the DR. You can also go to the VET. Underground? Why? If you want them you can get them from the Pharmacy cheaper than buying supplements at the GNC.
    If you live in Arozona or Texas just drive across the border.


    Thats Why I said what about steroids? I don't have to look above


    Not crack you can debate some drugs and some positives but not crack.
     
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    #112
    What is a troll?

    That does not answer the question. A definition of a troll. Someone that can not side on the unreal. Some drugs can be debated like pot and a few others. But not crack.
     
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    #114
    You honestly believe most get their steroids from the DR. or the Vet?


    Actually I have brought up many positives, positives that you have yet to even take a shot at disputing.
     
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    #115
    You can not really believe crack should be legal. Come on debate about pot and the fibers, blindness relief, make it like alcohol in regards to driving under the influence but not crack.
     
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    #116
    Yes I do. Most steroids orginate from perscriptions. Whats wrong with steroids? Nothing ... No debate here.
     
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    #117
    Yet you can't debate against the info provided? Interesting.
    Source please?

    I guess all the users of steroids I know who get them from under ground labs, the vast amounts of body building forums, etc, etc are all wrong.

    Not all steroids can even be prescribed by doctors ;)
     
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    #118
    Life. I been around professional sports for years HGH and steroids...the good stuff come from Doc.

    I have met gym dealers and their product was most of the time derived from a Dr. They may cut it to make stretch.

    The athletes should be able to use it. There should be no testing. Like I said no debate here.
     
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    #119
    The debate is the legality, if you think they are ok 'fine' but the legality of it makes a black market. The black market makes substandard products, the legality of it fuels criminal enterprise, the legality of it risks peoples lives.

    I'll even say I'd prefer steroids to be legal over that of crack, that however does not change the benefits outweighing the negatives from legalizing both substances.

    Professional athletes are but a small fraction of every day users. Every day users do not have access to trainers and docs who can 'hook them up' they go to underground labs, where the vast majority of steroids come from, the black market.
     
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    #120
    Steroids are legal. They should be sold at the GNC and Walmart over the counter. If you want them get them from the DR they are cheap. If they were sold like other supplements but still made by pharmaceuticals companies I’m all for that. I can not see anything wrong with someone taking them. Some of the steroid brands in the 70's were bad and had adverse affects.
    Today, with advances in medicine, I think is safe enough to put it beside the advil.
     
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