Maybe in the US, in the UK, I could smoke from whatever age, buy cigarettes when I was 16, I could drink alcohol at home when I was 5, and buy alcohol from a shop when I was 18. So what though? LSD is completely different, the point I'm making is still clear. Make it legal for an 18 year old to buy LSD and you'll get a bunch of dicks putting it in peoples drinks without them knowing, all it takes is one college party, one keg of beer and one immature dick and you've got 50 people with extreme paranoia, induction of mental disorders, and distortion. Alcohol and cigarettes? Please tell me what drug can cause the same amount of damage with such little effort and then tell me it should be legalised.
I gotta agree with that. But making it a controlled substance legal for medical use (it is in many countries but not the US) or even having a place where someone could legally commit themselves and sign a waver (which could have some very creepy Orwellian consequences) would not necessarily make it harder for kids to get it either. All drugs are not created equally either though, we shouldn't treat every other drug like LSD.
If legal it would be regulated, you could easily control how much a person could get, you could also control the quality of it. Most deaths of drugs occur because the drug was created with no quality control, no control on any level, cooked in someones bathroom. Your argument of 'they could put it in a drink' well they could also put common poisons in drinks, as well as antifreeze..
You could very easily make it much harder for kids to get. If the product is legal you can control who buys it and how much, you can record it. Much like is done with common cold medicine in the US now a days 'pseudoephedrine' based cold medicines for example. When a product is legal the black market dries up rather quickly, there will still be a small black market, no where near the amount there is now which would make that element switch to a more profitable product, something else in demand... Penalties like wise could be amplified to a greater degree to anyone who sells or gives said legal product to an underage individual. Control is a much better solution than simply letting the criminals control the illicit supply.
Exactly grim. What people don't realise (or intentionally ignore) is that with legalization comes regulation. In america alcohol is legal, cigarettes are legal, Heck, even guns are legal. But with that legality comes licenced sellers and regulations. Conditions of the sale are enforced, the age of consumption/ownership is enforced. But we can always rely on the reactionary slippery-slope-mongers to cry "wont somebody think of the children!"
Why would you poison someone's drink? I honestly feel that it would be quite a spectacle, watching 50 people tripping on acid, none of them knowing what's going on... hence why a dick would do it for a laugh.... poison doesn't exactly have the same effect, it's pointless unless you want to kill people. 'You could easily control how much a person could get' - umm, when it's sensitive to oxygen, temperature and some light forms, you can't control how much someone is going to get. 'Most deaths occur because the drug...' there's only been 1 LSD overdose related death, so the fact that you're using generic anti-drug messages when dealing with hallucinogens, tells me you don't really know what you're talking about. Right, because people in the UK are so responsible with alcohol aren't they? Let's give them one of the most powerful man made hallucinogen chemicals and watch them treat it with the same care shall we?
I agree with most of that. But I must stress the caveat that every drug is different and should be controlled accordingly.
Good point - my experience as well, at least regarding alcohol since I've never used tobacco. In terms of alcohol, I think some of this must come down to pure logistics - carrying a dime bag or a small film-canister's worth of blotter is a helluva lot easier than selling off anywhere from flasks to fifths of booze. If booze were as concealable as pot or LSD, I'd venture it'd be just as easy to get ahold of.
Ahh but they 'could' there are also other things one could put into drinks if they wanted to in order to get a large group to trip. BTW you keeping it illegal opens the doors for someone to get the quantities needed for such an experiment you are so worried about, yet again you are using baseless fear tactics to keep an item illegal when in fact making it legal with controls would make what you are worried about MUCH less likely to happen. You totally misread that, you can control what a person can get, as in how much they can buy. With it being illegal there is NO control at all. Much of what you have typed shows me you have absolutely no clue as to what you are talking about. There is 'death' there is 'side effects' and much more from brewing any chemical in a home lab without any quality control. A generic message was needed in this case as it's still the truth, brew aspirin at home and lets see what we get. Create it in a controlled environment and you are able to control the quality. Right because lets keep conveniently forgetting the fact about being able to control the quality 'as brought up above' as well as how much a person can buy. Yeah lets leave it illegal for criminals to profit off of, fuel gangs, let people brew it at home with no oversight as to how much a person can buy, or any ID to make sure the person buying it is a legal adult. Yeah that sounds just grand. --- This part takes the cake. I am using 'generic anti-drug messages'? Actually I am using messages for making drugs legal as I firmly believe from first hand knowledge making a drug illegal creates more problems than it solves.
While logistics 'might' have a small part of it, I doubt it has much to do with it. #1 Illegal substances are worth much more on the black market than legal substances. Many items, including liquor on the black market lose value when on the black market, unlike illegal items which gain value. #2 It's much easier to track down where a legal product is coming from being sold to minors than an illegal product
GRIM, don't you think, if the government could make money from heroin and crack they would? Why aren't they selling it to us?
You don't think they are making money off of it? They force the profits by direct tax to fund such operations as the DEA. It's a billion dollar a year industry.
With policing, rehabilitation and NHS (national health service) costs, it probably costs us billions every year, so even if they manage to recover money from dealers, it's still paying off other problems which are created. We're both intelligent people and allowed our own opinions. I was sold on the idea of legalising all drugs up until recently, so I totally understand where you're coming from. I think we can both agree that there's no right or wrong answer here, drugs being illegal creates a mass of problems, just as legalising all drugs would create a bunch of new problems.
How does changing the legal status of acid gonna stop people from this doing now? Dude your arguments are piss weak. You do realize most acid comes in the form of blotter, its not carried around in bottles?
Learn common sense? If you legalise something, people have more access to it right? If people have more access to acid, there will be more abuse, right? (maybe not percentage proportion wise, but definitely cumulatively*) It's a simple concept. Bottled acid is a lot safer, if it was legalised, this is most likely the form it would be produced in because it's far easier to work out the strength of the dose. Maybe I was thinking a little ahead of you there. *Please find out what this means before you tell me that more use doesn't equal abuse.
Of course it's not right. It's absolutely ridiculously absurd. I personally feel that all such drugs should be legal. I also think tobacco should be legal, people have the right to kill themselves if they want to. But it's insane that in our current law system people have the right to kill themselves but not the right to explore their own consciousness how they please.
So if the drug is regulated the government would be handing out bottles of the stuff? A drug which is THE most potent on earth. Man I am not even gonna waste time arguing with you, you have no bloody clue. I think you assume to much with human behavior. The legal status of something doesn't encourage people's willingness to want to do something.
Dont try and come across as a know it all now, because everything in this thread has suggested otherwise. You gonna go google it now? BTW if you know anyone handing out free acid, let me know.