Now THAT is thermodynamically viable. My ex-father-in-law used to generate methane from rabbit droppings to operate his farm equipment....
Yes I know... All the expert say ... "Thermodynamics" Thermodynamics this, Thermodynamics that, The average person doesn't know squat about Thermodynamics so he cannot argue the fact given given by the "expert". However, there are vehicles (and proof of them) that these systems DO WORK http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuWY3qqnfVc , Here's just one video, there are many of them, I understand that many videos are biased, and can be biased, but I've found some honest ones as well, which don't have a water4gas affiliate link watermarked anywhere. The thing here is.. the experts who talk about thermodynamics, haven't tried the system, it doesn't mean anything if it doesn't work on paper, it's all about whether it works if you implement it. There is too much proof that this system works, I can give you over 30 videos, some whom are really by honest and unbiased people using the system. So my view on this is that it works, but you won't save 60% on gas mileage, maybe 15%, and it is not easy to make.
I heard the old model T was made to use gasoline or alcohol, so farmers could make their own fuel, but the oil companies didn't like that idea.
okay water for gas, here's the thing, with newer cars you also have to build the little box that tricks the oxygen sensors so they dont think hey we have more air then normal in here lets pump and burn more gas to burn it out.... so without that it wont work, not as far as it working, well technically its not good because it uses more power then it makes, BUT WHO CARES the plus is that it saves gas, because the power it loses is replaced from your alternator, so it costs you nothing, while gas on the other hand well we all know about that 1
It's been proven that it doesn't work and that it's a load of bull, that's the point. You cannot I repeat CANNOT take a jar, a couple of wires and baking soda and magically transform it into some magical gas saving device, we've had it shown on our national TV, taken apart by professors and our AA (independent car testing) who tested these products and in the majority of the cases these products were unsafe and some of them even increased fuel consumption. It alright for you to sit there trying to justify your position and just blow off thermodynamics but the reality is it doesn't change the facts that it is bull. I'm sorry but I'll stick with science on this one and not some guys on youtube. In addition do you really not think that one of the major car manufacturers in today's economy would have implemented this if it were real, they would instantly dominate the car market if they brought out something that could save 15% fuel let alone the claimed 60%. But of course the usual defense to this is that it's part of some global conspiracy by the oil companies and that's why they don't do it. Like the water4gas products, it's a load of bull.........
Guys if I had written an e-book telling you how to reverse gravity and then proceeded to jump out of a plane without a parachute, where do you think I would be writing my next book from? The fundamental laws of science may flex a little but they dont break. Sorry, this stuff makes me quite angry. As for PSP stuff, I actually dont mind these sites (apart from the legal aspect ) becuase, although you are geting stuff you can find for free the value is in the convenience, I reckon most people who buy these products dont have a clue about torrents and such like, so from their perspective $40 or whatever to be spoon fed the information is probably quite a bargain. You could actually use the same argument for 99% ofthe stuff on Clickbank - its always easier when you know what you are doing. I like this thread btw.
That 15% MAY be energy recovered during idle. While a car is sitting in traffic it is burning fuel. Part of that fuel goes to recharge the battery. Once the battery is charged, the energy from the fuel is just going to waste. Converting some of that energy to hydrogen and re-using it may get you some fuel efficiency gain. 15% sounds pretty high, but it's in the ball park of a thermodynamically viable solution. So, your experimental data probably doesn't disprove thermodynamics. If I were to guess at an improvement at all from recovering fuel wasted during idle, I'd put it in the 1% range. I'm perfectly willing to accept valid experimental data from people who claim to have have built them. 15% is a very high but not a grossly impossible number. I question it, but I wouldn't yell "scam" from it until I saw the data myself.
People will definitely say its a scam when you say you run it on water. So talk about the actual science. Tell them it is actually HHO Gas obtained from water that powers your car. And obviously you will not run it on water but on HHO gas. P.S. This has nothing to do with breaking the law of Thermodynamics as the energy is not obtained directly from water!!
The very sales page in your sig says: According to the theory on the sales page it works like this 1) H20 -> HHO: The energy is taken from the battery/alternator to do this 2) HHO -> is burned with the gasoline and increases gas milage. Step 1 necessarily takes more energy than you get back from Step 2. Where does that energy come from? The battery? The gas charges the battery. The alternator? The gas runs the alternator. You HAVE to use energy from the gasoline for step 1 to work. The only POSSIBLE "gain" is recovering wasted energy. You are absolutely NOT adding energy to the system by expending energy converting water to HHO and then burning HHO. Yes, that is Thermodynamics.
But what about all those reviews guys... I mean type water4gas review on google and youtube you will find hundreds of pages with great reviews for this product...
I Know.. I wasn't being serious when I said that.. I was joking, I thought it was obvious Seriously, I have yet to find any honest unbiased review of water4gas, 99% of the reviews are from affiliates who haven't even tried it
I agree that most of the reviews are biased, but I have seen similar methods in the past. They used a chemical found in certain drain cleaners though, and produced a combustible gas that was added by the same basic delivery method. I personally knew a couple of people who swore it worked great, and yet I'm still skeptical also.