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Proud to be a Pakistani (Amazing Facts about Pakistan)

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by phyza, May 28, 2009.

  1. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #261
    Not unless they fail to do exactly what their owners tell them to do.

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    My step dad was an animal and I never thought I'd live to see the age of maturity, but man... I was a wuss. He never beat me as bad as these women's owners beat them.
     
    Will.Spencer, Jun 5, 2010 IP
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    #262
    Did you mean these type of domestic violence happens only in Pakistan or better to say Islamic country?

    Just to let you know Islam or Quran does not say like that!
     
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    #263
    I mean to say that such behavior is condoned and accepted in Islamic nations.

    Actually, it does.
     
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    #264
    If I say that media shows more domestic violence in the name of Islam - you would not believe, anyway, I can see similar violence not only in Islamic countries but other countries also.

    Secondly, Actually, it does - this is also your site, and youtube link, I don't follow scholars, I would like to see where Islam Actually, it does so, would you show something in Quran or Authentic Hadith?

    Your site http://www.fortliberty.org/category/religion section has 5 pages and all max. pages are covered with Islam - very hot topic - get enough visitor - adsense revenue :D
     
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    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #265
    How did you go to the site without seeing this:
    In Sura 4, verse 34, the Qua’ran orders men to beat their wives if they fail to be properly obedient:

    4:34 Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.​

    Wife Beating in Islam has a lot more data and the video is illuminating also, but if you "don't follow scholars" and refuse to read information that's right in front of you, I don't see how this conversation can continue.
     
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    samser_m Active Member

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    #266
    well, you should also consider, Quran is written in Arabic, someone who knows Arabic, they tells us even in this forum, there may have several meaning of this "beat" word in Arabic.

    answering-islam.org - another site powered by some group who spread misleading info regarding Islam, I don't see contact information : why? may be afraid of Muslims since they don't have confidence what they say regarding Islam :D


    Regarding domestic violence, I can show you from other religion too. Do you think except Muslims, no other religion people beat their women?

    Why don't you look at these Ayat its just after 2 Ayats later of 4:34

    4:36
    Allah even tell us to behave well with our servants and subordinates, and allow us to beat wife?
     
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    #267
    Check any of the available translations. Or, you could READ THIS, which answers your question in excruciating detail.

    Maybe they have concerns for the lives of their families and their children. Muslims have been known to respond violently to criticism.

    No other religion that I am aware of condones, recommends, and commands men to beat their wives -- and if they did I would denounce them too. Two wrongs don't make a right.

    Don't ask me to make sense of a lunatic caravan robbing warlord who died in the desert over a thousand years ago. He simply does not make sense because he's inconsistent. The greatest inconsistencies are between what he wrote before he gained power and what he wrote after he had gained power. Frankly, it's obvious that he's a few cards short of a deck.
     
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    #268
    Then you should also does not write what you don't know, and stop spreading your truth, if all Muslims are same as you are thinking then Muslims should not exist today.
    if you really want to know or write something regarding Islam then first you should study on that subject rather than following an anti-Islam site. I wonder if there would have any PR section on your forum netbuilders.org then you would banned all Muslims members there - right? :D
     
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    #269
    The way to study is to read the Qua'ran. Why is it that I am doing this and you're not?

    Any why is it that Muslim's get so upset when I quote the Quaran to them? Is there something evil about the Koran which Muslims hate?

    The other way to study is to observe the effects of the Qua'ran on it's adherents. From what I can see, the effects of Islam are to make it's adherents illogical and violent. It seems to short-circuit some part of the maturation process.
     
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    Not only me, 1 in every 4 people thinks same as I think :p

    Obviously not.
     
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    #271
    That's called the Fallacy of Argumentum ad Populum.

    The fact that it's popular to believe Islam without reading the Qua'ran doesn't make it an intelligent thing to do.
     
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