Personally, I'm all about bygones being bygones. I always assumed most just want to live in peace with the national borders of the various countries where they are. It seems that many of a specific religious group take issue with the current national borders and would like to see some borders moved, and some states eliminated. They want some land given back to its "rightful owners" and the illegal occupants thrown out. It got me thinking that perhaps they are right. It takes only a little research to realize the Muslims invaded all of the lands around Palestine and slaughtered the rightful owners of that land in the years leading up to 1000ad. [video=youtube;imTY5izhTDo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imTY5izhTDo[/video] I don't think any peace loving person on the planet should sit idly by while these usurpers and murderers occupy land that isn't theirs. Indeed, every last Muslim should be driven, not only from the so-called "Palestinian territories" but also all of the so-called surrounding countries including Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, and Egypt. Why should the world sit by while these thieves occupy land they stole, followed by the slaughter of it's original inhabitants? The Muslims today seem to love to live in the past, and I think it is time the rest of the world grant them their wish.
Because it's none of our business. And unless "the world" is going to intervene any time and every time there is a perceived injustice you'll need a better reason to justify picking this particular one. The continent of Africa is riddled with just as much bloodshed and injustice throughout history and today. No one cares about them because no one has any biblical or oil based incentive to. I'll look forward to your thread about them.
Nice idea. They stole all the worlds oil. But honestly, even America slaughtered Red Indians to get their land didn't they? We all stole our land from someone.
Of course, but that is completely beside the point. I am trying to reach out to the Muslim community by seeing things from their point of view. The big point of contention, if you are to listen to the Muslims on this forum, is that Israel is an illegitimate state because they "stole" the land from the Muslims (even though the land was given to them by the British who occupied it at the time and the UN). Looking at the history books, one has only to go back a few years more to realize that the only reason there are Muslims in that part of the world is because of violent theft of land from the original and rightful owners. Therefore, by Muslim logic, the world's population should join in a united voice against the illegitimate states of Syria, Egypt, and Jordan, as well as the Palestinian Territories.
Is that a statement of opinion or a confession? Can you imagine how peaceful that region of the world would be if it was returned to Italy? Of course Turkey wouldn't be very happy when all of Saladin's descendents were forced to return home... but hey, sacrifices have to be made.
My opinion: bygones should definitely be bygones. The crusaders were as cruel as the Muslim occupiers. Asking who was more cruel is like asking who is more bigoted and makes less sense, "new" or "polite teen"..... In today's terms, there is of course no moral justification for both, but at that time - conquest and subjugation of other cultures and people did not need a justification (also for "inner"-religion as well as "inter"-religion) - and this lasted until the end of the Imperialist period. There were also horrible atrocities that were perpetrated by imperial western countries many centuries after the crusades. cpl of examples: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMQbUajiIv4 (4 parts. In short: http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/features/coolies.shtml) http://www.nrc.nl/international/article2433347.ece/Widows_sue_Netherlands_over_Indonesia_massacre and countless more.....
look the land is all divided up by now, palestine is not going to get back israel and israel is not going anywhere. The only questionable land is the west bank and gaza strip that could go either way but thats it.
Eric, I hate to say that isn't exactly accurate. First off, the Muslim extremists amongst the Palestinians will never be happy so long as the state of Israel exists. Thats why we are 60 years down the road and there are still these nonsense claims of "the illegitimate state of Israel". Secondly, every time all the Arab Muslim cowards muster the strength to bum rush Israel in some kind of lowly sneak attack, Israel ends up winning despite being badly outnumbered, and takes a larger chunk of Palestine as payback. This has happened quite a few times now. If the Muslims keep it up, and it appears they will, Israel will occupy all of the land we currently call controlled by th Palestine authority, as well as Lebanon, Syria, and perhaps Iran. Thinking about it, I should be cheering them on.
Wow! I would never have expected you to support my proposal! I'm looking forward to your open and vocal protest of the Muslim invaders! End the States of Syria, Lebanon, and Iran NOW!!!