1. Advertising
    y u no do it?

    Advertising (learn more)

    Advertise virtually anything here, with CPM banner ads, CPM email ads and CPC contextual links. You can target relevant areas of the site and show ads based on geographical location of the user if you wish.

    Starts at just $1 per CPM or $0.10 per CPC.

Protection against PR-Cheaters

Discussion in 'Co-op Advertising Network' started by aPRentice, Apr 25, 2005.

0
Page 1 of 4
  1. #1
    I am thinking about joining the Co-op network but first would like to make sure that there is protection against sites that make a fake high toolbar PR and have.

    By fake PR I mean they (301 or 302) redirect GoogleBot to a domain with high PR but for normal users display their regular page. So Google will show the PR of the site they redirect to and same goes for the DigitalPoint PR Script / Tool - it shows the fake PR...

    Example of such a Co-op partner - see:

    :) http://www.emuvortex.net/
    :mad: http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:http://www.emuvortex.net/

    (Google cash shows that they are redirecting Googlebot to PR8 site http://caminobrowser.org)

    Does this add weight to ther account?
     
    aPRentice, Apr 25, 2005 IP
  2. fryman

    fryman Kiss my rep

    Messages:
    9,604
    Likes Received:
    777
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    370
    #2
    Interesting...
     
    fryman, Apr 25, 2005 IP
  3. TommyD

    TommyD Peon

    Messages:
    1,397
    Likes Received:
    76
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #3
    Very....

    Being new here, I am not yet a co-op member.....but I have to say with information like this, I don't get the feeling I will become one too fast.

    :rolleyes:
     
    TommyD, Apr 25, 2005 IP
  4. fryman

    fryman Kiss my rep

    Messages:
    9,604
    Likes Received:
    777
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    370
    #4
    Nah, don't worry, we all police the sites in the network, when something like this pops up we all take a look and decide what to do about it.
     
    fryman, Apr 25, 2005 IP
  5. yfs1

    yfs1 User Title Not Found

    Messages:
    13,798
    Likes Received:
    922
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #5
    I had thought that you couldn't use a redirected site. At least that seems to be a common answer when people ask why it is not working.
     
    yfs1, Apr 25, 2005 IP
  6. aPRentice

    aPRentice Active Member

    Messages:
    35
    Likes Received:
    1
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    73
    #6
    So do you manualy check sites after they have been approved?
    And what about this http://www.emuvortex.net/ - I noticed the PR jump from PR2 to PR8 thanks to DP Back Links Tracker so I am sure DP is getting the same wrong PR readings in the system...
     
    aPRentice, Apr 25, 2005 IP
  7. aPRentice

    aPRentice Active Member

    Messages:
    35
    Likes Received:
    1
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    73
    #7
    Only the GoogleBot is redirected (to mess up the Toolbar PR readings) so technicly this is not a redirect site? or is it?

    http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:http://www.emuvortex.net/
     
    aPRentice, Apr 25, 2005 IP
  8. Jim bob 9 pants

    Jim bob 9 pants Peon

    Messages:
    890
    Likes Received:
    20
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #8
    Hi, I am sure Shawn will put your mind to rest, it seems to be a very well designed piece of coding (The Co-op)
     
    Jim bob 9 pants, Apr 25, 2005 IP
  9. a389951l

    a389951l Must Create More Content

    Messages:
    1,885
    Likes Received:
    65
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    140
    #9
    a389951l, Apr 25, 2005 IP
  10. fryman

    fryman Kiss my rep

    Messages:
    9,604
    Likes Received:
    777
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    370
    #10
    They are not redirecting. They WERE redirecting and with the recent update got their fake PR.
     
    fryman, Apr 25, 2005 IP
  11. T0PS3O

    T0PS3O Feel Good PLC

    Messages:
    13,219
    Likes Received:
    777
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #11
    Nice find!

    Normal redirects won't validate.

    Sneaky ones like these where it only affects GoogleBot I'm not so sure of. Shawn will have the answer. If it's found to be cheating I'm sure this will be enforced:

     
    T0PS3O, Apr 25, 2005 IP
  12. aPRentice

    aPRentice Active Member

    Messages:
    35
    Likes Received:
    1
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    73
    #12
    I have been visiting that site regularly (ok ok - i like illegal roms a lot :) ) -- an I have never seen them redirecting USERS to other sites but as you can see GoogleBot has been redirected. Is there a way to fake a googlebot visit and see what we get served? Maybe they redirect GBot IPs.

    ---

    Any way they did it the fact is they have fake PR8 - does that add to their Weight?
     
    aPRentice, Apr 25, 2005 IP
  13. T0PS3O

    T0PS3O Feel Good PLC

    Messages:
    13,219
    Likes Received:
    777
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #13
    There's a firefox extension which lets yuu change the user agent so you can browse as any bot.

    If the API returns PR8 then yes, they are benefitting fraudulently.
     
    T0PS3O, Apr 25, 2005 IP
  14. aPRentice

    aPRentice Active Member

    Messages:
    35
    Likes Received:
    1
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    73
    #14
    Well - it is showing PR8 in Google Toolbar, FireFox PR-Plugin and most importantly - DigitalPoint Back Link Tracking Tool...

    PR8 in most of Google datacenters :

    http://www.seochat.com/?go=1&option=com_seotools&tool=9&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.emuvortex.net

    The ones that have not updated show natural PR3
     
    aPRentice, Apr 25, 2005 IP
  15. john_loch

    john_loch Rodent Slayer

    Messages:
    1,294
    Likes Received:
    66
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    138
    #15
    You're correct, their weight will be unfairly bloated. Technically it IS a redirect, just not one that the end user sees.

    The only way to police it is to have a trigger set on PRx, then a quick hunt through the top ten results returned on the link: cmd to ensure the presence of BL's to the domain in question.

    Basically, what Fryman & JB9 said - and thanks for bringing it up - I figured someone would try it on sooner or later :)

    Cheers,

    JL
     
    john_loch, Apr 25, 2005 IP
  16. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

    Messages:
    38,333
    Likes Received:
    2,613
    Best Answers:
    462
    Trophy Points:
    710
    Digital Goods:
    29
    #16
    They would never validate to begin with because the site: command shows only pages from the domain they are redirecting to. The validator would never be able to find any ads running for them.
     
    digitalpoint, Apr 25, 2005 IP
  17. T0PS3O

    T0PS3O Feel Good PLC

    Messages:
    13,219
    Likes Received:
    777
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #17
    T0PS3O, Apr 25, 2005 IP
  18. fryman

    fryman Kiss my rep

    Messages:
    9,604
    Likes Received:
    777
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    370
    #18
    You lost me, Tops, what are you trying to say?
     
    fryman, Apr 25, 2005 IP
  19. aPRentice

    aPRentice Active Member

    Messages:
    35
    Likes Received:
    1
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    73
    #19
    But if they are redirecting GoogleBot only? Wouldn't that let them validate (as they aperantly do) and at the same time have the fake PR?

    They have other pages listed in google and interlinked - only cash for INDEX shows evidence of a redirect and also http://forum.emuvortex.net/ where Co-op ads do work shows fake PR8 (check Google cash)
     
    aPRentice, Apr 25, 2005 IP
  20. aPRentice

    aPRentice Active Member

    Messages:
    35
    Likes Received:
    1
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    73
    #20
    TOPS30

    Did you look at Google search for:

    link:http://www.emuvortex.net

    compare to

    link:http://caminobrowser.org

    Both SERPs 1 - 10 of about 2,120
    and NONE of them link to Emuvortex as far as i can see...
     
    aPRentice, Apr 25, 2005 IP
Page 1 of 4