Pros and Cons with communism

1. You finish what you start. He said we would catch Osama and then gave up.

2. It's not just 1 man, as you said - theres loyal forces all over the place.

3. Lose the country? To what? Those loyal forces you didn't go after

What actually happened:
We got control of the oil pipeline and Osama (along with many of the talibans leaders) got out with US help

PS: your excuse about using troops we needed to secure the country... why would go to war in Iraq if we didn't have enough troops? Your point is NULL.

 

So you are committing lots of forces to get one man. You don't know where he is. How many people are you willing to lose here? Keep in mind, this is the same country that the Soviets couldn't take control of - with over 100,000 troops and certainly more heavy machinery that we brought in. You want to attempt a door to door search (in a country where most people hate us) to find 1 person? Helluva strategy.

If you commit these troops and you cannot find him, you've essentially given him a victory. If you state that "we dont even care enough to try" you don't grant him the possibility of being a martyr or worse - an escaped martyr.

To the warlords who were itching to take control in the power vacuum. Not all of them were loyal to the taliban, but lots of them were in that same vein. You try to put something together than is a little more "normal" (for lack of a better word) and hope for future support.'

The forces that were loyal to osama, taliban etc seemed perfectly willing to walk into our bullets as we sat in various places in afghanistan. makes far more sense to battle them on our terms than to take the battle into a wilderness you do not know nearly as well doesnt it?

 

No, their "information" had him pinned to several very targeted locations and they never sent a good amount of troops to finish the job, wonder why...

To capture the man responsible for 9/11, the creation of Al quada, worldwide terrorism, multiple attacks and murders on US Military and civilians?

As many as it takes.

Not 1 person, to find all the "terrorists"...

If you let him get away with 9/11 you've given him and terrorists world wide a victory. Not to mention we already committed troops to find him, then gave up.. sounds like another victory.

Yeh... sure lorien. He's so less respected now that bush doesn't want to find him...

 

He is most likely dead already. No one has heard from or seen him since just after 9/11.

Just think if Clinton had been doing his job, 9/11 most likely never would have occurred. Wonder why billy boy chose not to take out Osama when he had the chance, not once, not twice, but THREE times?

 

Yes.

And just think, if Bush had listened to the specific warnings about 9-11.

Both Clinton and Bush dropped the ball- IMO.

(I'm sure you don't fault Bush though...do you?) B.C.A.L!

 

Well he was relying on Clinton Administration intelligence (there's an oxymoron), so I guess I do fault him for that.

 

I guess you haven't been paying attention. Those blinders are working!!

 

Paying attention to whom? I'm not a helpless drone that follows the crowd and listens to what others would like me to believe. You'll see the light one day. Hang in there. You too will be allowed to think for yourself

 

Actually, you are speaking about the 20% bit that was left when Jordan was created in 1920. So israel is infact only 13% of the Palestine.

 

Communism is theory might sound good.

Everyone is equal, freedom of speech, everything is of everyone.

But as can be seen from history, it never works in practice.

I think the European system has a correct balance between capitalist and socialist system.

But i might be biased because i am European.

 

We're all biased to some degree. Recognizing it is the first step into the right direction

 

Ludwig von Mises was European too, but he was smart enough to write Middle-of-the-Road Policy Leads to Socialism.

 

For the same reasons (motives) that Bush doesn't care to find him either. You're half way there.. now just open your eyes a little further

 

Just to clarify just in case there is misunderstanding.

I do not agree with communism because it does not work.

However, IMHO an economy should allow capable people to go up the social ladder (e.g. get richer, higher social status etc) while

giving a safety net for those people who cannot (e.g. mental disability, old age, ignorance etc).

From my point of view Europe has the right balance. Currently it provides social security like pensions, free education (up till secondary school) etc.

USA at least from what i read/seen on tv seems to be purely capitalist has little safety net.

China then is on the other extreme, despite what their constitution says, they have no freedom of speech or right to land ownership at least from what i read.

China in my opinion could be a superpower because they are heading towards the Euro way of thinking slowly.

Anyway just my opinion, so i might be wrong.

 

What is your opinion of Middle-of-the-Road Policy Leads to Socialism?

 

"The goal of liberalism is the peaceful cooperation of all men. It aims at peace among nations too. When there is private ownership of the means of production everywhere and when laws, the tribunals and the administration treat foreigners and citizens on equal terms, it is of little importance where a country's frontiers are drawn. ... War no longer pays; there is no motive for aggression. ... All nations can coexist peacefully... "

Ludwig Von Mises

It seems Bush administration and other nut cases like you, forgot to read this part.

 

It seems that you national socialists forgot to read and understand that part.

Let's go back to the old thread where I have repetitively tried to explain to you how nationalism is a dead concept, and you have repeatedly failed to understand.

OBL understands this; he's smarter than you are. And, I would bet that if I told him something, he would remember it the next month.

 

There's a big difference between having someone handed to you, and wasting valuable resource on looking for someone that is no near impossible to find and most likely dead.

You might want to open your ears as well

 

I like Chinese food...

 

Ok, that took me a minute... Me too! I have to be in the mood for it!