Pros and Cons with communism

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by latehorn, Feb 14, 2006.

  1. ServerUnion

    ServerUnion Peon

    Messages:
    3,611
    Likes Received:
    296
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #21
    So making people work in slave like conditions while fearing for thier lives is nullified because they discovered your so called weather machine?


    The only benefit of communism would be you wouldn't have a computer to spray us with your thoughts.
     
    ServerUnion, Feb 14, 2006 IP
  2. Blogmaster

    Blogmaster Blood Type Dating Affiliate Manager

    Messages:
    25,924
    Likes Received:
    1,354
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    380
    #22
    Just for those who don't know: In East Germany, everyone made the same amount of money, whether you were a scientist (like my uncle) or a fast food service worker (actually they had no fast food, you had to wait an hour to be serviced anywhere). It was East German Marks: 800/month (about $125 I believe). It got you by, but no one had any motivation to improve or anything. You were forced to get on a waiting list to have a car. The whole society was terribly depressing. To most, communism is just a word, once you experience a taste of it, you'll know that it's a rape of people's spirit.
     
    Blogmaster, Feb 14, 2006 IP
  3. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

    Messages:
    11,324
    Likes Received:
    615
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    310
    #23
    Does any of you knows what communism is? :rolleyes:

    Hint: it is not Russia, East Germany, Cuba,.... Those are countries.
     
    gworld, Feb 14, 2006 IP
  4. Blogmaster

    Blogmaster Blood Type Dating Affiliate Manager

    Messages:
    25,924
    Likes Received:
    1,354
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    380
    #24
    Those are examples of communism in action and part of the proof that it can't and won't work.
     
    Blogmaster, Feb 14, 2006 IP
  5. latehorn

    latehorn Guest

    Messages:
    4,676
    Likes Received:
    238
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #25
    I can slightly agree.. however, in the early 50ies when Stalin was in power, the motto was; Everyone work as much as they can and get as much as they need. Those period experienced a growth of more than 20% yearly which proves that communism in some extent can work.

    Anyway, I hate commie-dictarships such as North Korea, Belarus and China..
     
    latehorn, Feb 14, 2006 IP
  6. Blogmaster

    Blogmaster Blood Type Dating Affiliate Manager

    Messages:
    25,924
    Likes Received:
    1,354
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    380
    #26
    You should have seen one of the documentaries that I've seen about how Stalin came to power. He enslaved people. What good is money if your life is shit?
     
    Blogmaster, Feb 14, 2006 IP
  7. latehorn

    latehorn Guest

    Messages:
    4,676
    Likes Received:
    238
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #27
    People have different opinions about this, It's sad that over 3 millions was imprissoned in gulags when stalin was in power.
     
    latehorn, Feb 14, 2006 IP
  8. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

    Messages:
    11,324
    Likes Received:
    615
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    310
    #28
    I don't think any of those countries claimed that they were communism, they claimed that they were socialist. Does the military governments in south America, killing and torture of their own citizens by death squads or the poor in USA proves that capitalism is a failure? :rolleyes:

    Those countries are as much socialist or communist as USA is capitalism, after all capitalist economy doesn't need protectionist laws in competing with other economies, does it?
     
    gworld, Feb 14, 2006 IP
  9. Blogmaster

    Blogmaster Blood Type Dating Affiliate Manager

    Messages:
    25,924
    Likes Received:
    1,354
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    380
    #29
    Once again, if you have to force people into something, then something is wrong with the whole scenario to begin with. What gives anyone the right to decide what I do with my life? The communist regimes viewed people as instruments and not human beings, no consideration whatsoever about their well-being.
     
    Blogmaster, Feb 14, 2006 IP
  10. latehorn

    latehorn Guest

    Messages:
    4,676
    Likes Received:
    238
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #30
    Yes he enslaved people that was against him. The commies was especially good at creating lack of food in areas were opposition was strong, since they distributed all products including food.

    Communism is, as Karl Marx wrote, anti-humanism. They do not believe in any 'rights'. They believes in the evolution, not much in humans.
     
    latehorn, Feb 14, 2006 IP
  11. Blogmaster

    Blogmaster Blood Type Dating Affiliate Manager

    Messages:
    25,924
    Likes Received:
    1,354
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    380
    #31
    Gworld, I'm talking about the reality of what communism turns out to be in any society. Whatever they may want to call it, they are using the motto as a guideline. Why don't they install true communism? Because they are greedy and everyone has his own agenda, that is human nature. If you had seen it first hand, you wouldn't compare it to issues within the U.S. Sure there are issues and problems that need to be dealt with, but you can't compare those two even remotely.
     
    Blogmaster, Feb 14, 2006 IP
  12. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

    Messages:
    38,334
    Likes Received:
    2,613
    Best Answers:
    462
    Trophy Points:
    710
    Digital Goods:
    29
    #32
    Uhm... the "iron curtain" wasn't a real wall. And the great wall of China had nothing to do with keeping people in, rather keeping raiders out (and it was built before communism).

    People that grew up in a communist society actually prefer it for the most part. I was in Russia about 1 1/2 years ago and everyone over 30 (people that grew up with communism) pretty much wish it would revert back.

    Communism isn't for me (personally), but there certainly are some good things about it... like you are always taken care of by the state. Almost like a parent/child relationship.

    As long as the ones in power don't abuse it, it can work. Unfortunately the leaders (of any society) will always abuse their powers.
     
    digitalpoint, Feb 14, 2006 IP
  13. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

    Messages:
    11,324
    Likes Received:
    615
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    310
    #33
    Would you like to show any source for your statement?

    Here is even more simple question, have you ever read a book by founders of this ideology, so you know what you are talking about? ;)

    This brings back the subject in my previous post. Have you ever read a book in this subject? If you knew what you are talking about, you would have known that Marx never though that communism was possible in one country and it was only possible in the world level and not because of war but as a natural result of economic development.
     
    gworld, Feb 14, 2006 IP
  14. latehorn

    latehorn Guest

    Messages:
    4,676
    Likes Received:
    238
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #34
    Sweden is also a socialist country which means that we have free education, free government runned hospitals for people under 20(and very cheap for adults too.. 50$ for spending 3 days) and looots of subsidies. People that get fired get an subidy that equal to 80% of their latest salary(if you worked for more than a year).
     
    latehorn, Feb 14, 2006 IP
  15. Blogmaster

    Blogmaster Blood Type Dating Affiliate Manager

    Messages:
    25,924
    Likes Received:
    1,354
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    380
    #35
    I can't, because they didn't allow any free media and did whatever else they could to ensure only their versions would be aired. That's what a part of the problem was.
     
    Blogmaster, Feb 14, 2006 IP
  16. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

    Messages:
    11,324
    Likes Received:
    615
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    310
    #36
    I know and it is also one of the most boring countries in the world. If anything is fun, trust swedes to pass a law against it. :D

    Who is they? The founders of communism ideology were Karl Marx and Fredric Engels. Marx based his theories on previous work by German philosopher Hegel. The central idea of Communism is formulated in a book called manifest of Communism. the economic part of it is based on Marx work in Capital. Both Capital and manifest of Communism is available in your local libraries.
     
    gworld, Feb 14, 2006 IP
  17. latehorn

    latehorn Guest

    Messages:
    4,676
    Likes Received:
    238
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #37
    I asume that you are refering to the law against prostitution :)
     
    latehorn, Feb 14, 2006 IP
  18. Blogmaster

    Blogmaster Blood Type Dating Affiliate Manager

    Messages:
    25,924
    Likes Received:
    1,354
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    380
    #38
    The same thing is happening in East Germany as well, where some people would like things to go back to where they used to be. But I think that is more because people tend to remember the good things and forget the bad. And the fact that people like to complain no matter what government they have.
     
    Blogmaster, Feb 14, 2006 IP
  19. latehorn

    latehorn Guest

    Messages:
    4,676
    Likes Received:
    238
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #39
    Yeah it's like moslems following gods will by riot on the streets and catholic priests fighting with the crusade in the Middle Ages. Good ideology but bad users..
     
    latehorn, Feb 14, 2006 IP
  20. Blogmaster

    Blogmaster Blood Type Dating Affiliate Manager

    Messages:
    25,924
    Likes Received:
    1,354
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    380
    #40
    I'll pass ;)
     
    Blogmaster, Feb 14, 2006 IP