Professor: Muslim men can't control themselves, women must adapt

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  1. nokiaking

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    #81

    What has that got to do with Islam? just because some carry out these crimes and say that Islam permits it that Islam really does permit these crimes.
    anyway.....
    Leviticus 20:10
    If a man commits adultery with another man's wife — with the wife of his neighbor — both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.
     
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    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #82
    That's truly a sad story, Liberate. I've heard horror and read about many horror stories like this. It boggles my mind that apologist want to sweep this sort of thing under the rug.

    Sounds like something done in Iran. They stone lots of women for the crime of being raped.
     
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    #83
    Leviticus 20:10
    If a man commits adultery with another man's wife — with the wife of his neighbor — both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.
     
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    #84
    So after all the denial and taqiyya, you finally admit it.
     
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    #85
    Yep, that's the Old Testament. As covered here.

    Now if you had something from the New Testament, I would be impressed. Go off and work on that, okay?
     
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    #86
    Editing my post to make it look like you have proved your point!
    Well Done!
     
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    #87
    Do you regard 75% of the bivle as false?
    Matthew
    Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn't the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. 5:17
     
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    #88
    Not in the least bit. In fact, it's still there.

    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=2042360&postcount=80

    You admit it. My suggestion is, you hurry back to the post and edit it yourself.
     
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    #89
    I regard the New Testament as the word of God. The Old Testament was a set of laws man had to follow to get to heaven. The New Testament is the fulfillment of the Old Testament. As noted with the context I provided.

    And yet that isn't the issue. The issue is wife beating in islam and the scriptures, ALL translations by islamic scholars, ALL say the same thing. And you even admitted it. Not withstanding all the other information I've provided.

    The only course you and the resident apologist have is to try for moral equivalence. And you did that by saying "Whereas in Islam they only get whipped not even to death" Well, isn't that nice of muslims not to beat their wives to death? Actually, I'm sure there are many good muslims who would never do such, DESPITE their religions instructs them to.
     
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    #90
    My post was as follows:

    Anyway its better to commit adultery and be a muslim then to be a christian and commit adultery:
    - Leviticus 20:10
    If a man commits adultery with another man's wife — with the wife of his neighbor — both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.

    Whereas in Islam they only get whipped not even to death, Christianity is such a violent religion.........tut tut


    The punishment for adultery is not the same as beating your wife for no reason.
    Commit adultery and get punished accordingly- this doesn't in the least bit show that beating women for no reason is acceptable
     
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    #91
    Adultery wether its a male or a female will carry the same punishment, its not just women who will get whipped FOR ADULTERY, this is not the same as wife beating like you suggest.

    What was that from the new testament about Jesus approving the old testament...... Oh yeah:
    Matthew
    Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn't the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. 5:17


    Hey even your God/son/Everything else you make him out to be, believes that adultery should be punished by death....
     
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    #92
    You're welcome to reach for moral equivalence with the Old Testament. It doesn't dismiss wife beating in islam.

    Denial and moral equivalence won't help you.
     
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    #93
    Right so you believe Jesus word for Word and follow his every action, In the NEW testament it clearly says that Jesus approves of the Old testament and its punishments- So shouldn't you do that as well.

    Islam does not mention anything about wife beating, Taking the word of some scholar does not make it valid, it does mention about punishment for adultery-These are two COMPLETELY different things.
     
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    #94
    Did you have any more denial? Five scholars, all say the same thing. When confronted with the facts, reach to the Old Testament ;)
     
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    #95
    In the Quran, it specifically tells us to not believe the word of so called Scholars or of the Hadith- so i don't!
    I reached for the old testament, but also found from the new testament that-Jesus approves of punishments in the Old testament, So.....
     
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    #96
    What you found was wrong.

    So now you are suggesting every english copy of the quran is invalid and any muslim who cannot read/write in arabic is not a real muslim, because he is not to believe it.

    Just keep digging that hole. Islam instructs it's followers to beat it's women. And, in fact, this happens daily, around the world.
     
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    #97


    Well every English translation can not be 100% accurate as the arabic translation.
    Being a muslim is not just about reading the Quran, its abut having a belief in God in general.
    I am sitting here happily at my desk on my computer, i'm not in the garden so digging a hole is really impossible!
    Is the New testament wrong then? So you tell us what is it? Do you believe the New Testament or the Old testament, or none for that matter you just make it up as you go along?
    Women beating happens daily, yes- its referred to as Domestic Violence, even happens in Non Muslim households. And for the last time NO Islam does not instruct men to beat women.;)
     
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    #98
    Yes it does:

    You even go so far as to admit it here:

    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=2042360&postcount=80

    Are you having troubles keeping up? One minute you are saying it's not so, then I post irrefutable evidence and you come out and say well at least we don't whip them to death (how nice of you!), then you switch back to outright denial again.

    Here', let ol' GTech help you out. Try some of these new and improved kitman strategies. Leave it to the infidel to give the muslim the advantage.
     
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    #99

    Do you understand english?
    If so then you would have know what my post was about- trying to twist it too your advantage(and failing) is really about the lowest you can get!


    For the last time i said that punishment was in place for adultery for both men and women, I said nothing about beating your wife.

    But if you want to keep thinking that then please do so, i really don't care, I know what i said and you know what i said, If you want to twist it then go do so, It just shows what a nasty piece of work you really are;)
     
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    #100
    It was your Engrish that said:

    Whereas in Islam they only get whipped not even to death

    Did you want to deny it more?
     
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