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Proferssional and cheap appraisal

Discussion in 'Appraisals' started by tomecki, Feb 14, 2005.

  1. Monsieur

    Monsieur Peon

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    #21
    Sorry, misunderstood that.
    SEMrush
    I guess it's good that the thread was started, because maybe it helped some people realize that it was scam what they received...
     
    Monsieur, Mar 13, 2005 IP
    SEMrush
  2. AdrenalineX

    AdrenalineX Peon

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    #22
    Having never sold a domain name before, I almost fell for it:

    "Hi,
    I'm writing regarding your domain I saw listed for sale.
    Is it still available for sale? Have you received any bids from other buyers?
    Please email me your asking price.
    If I can afford your domain I will contact you. Please keep my email address and our correspondence confidential.
    I run a software development company. Selling & buying names is not my main business. Just another way to invest free money and make some income.

    Kindest regards,
    Travis Berger

    CEO

    InTech Consulting

    Cost Analysis & Revenue Assurance Software."


    And then:

    "1,500 USD. Ok.
    Do you sell a developed site or just domain name? If you don't have a site it's not a problem. I'm mostly interested in domain names without content.
    Do you have an appraisal of your domain? I need an appraisal certificate for domain priced in your range. Domain name is an investment for me. I'm going to sell your name later and make a profit. If I overpay I won't be able to make a profit in the future. So I need to know the current market value of your name. I guess your are also interested in getting this figure.

    Please note that I don't trust free or cheap appraisals. So we cannot accept appraisal from each and every site.

    To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies in a forum.
    http://domaintalk.ourplace.com/Archive/11076.htm
    Juck check this posting.

    After I verify an appraisal from you we'll continue our negotiations.

    How do you prefer to get paid: www.PayPal.com, www.escrow.com, check or wire?

    Looking forward to your reply."

    Amazingly, the 'thread' here is awfully similar: http://domaintalk.ourplace.com/Archive/11075.htm


    Just glad I searched before falling into this one.
     
    AdrenalineX, May 8, 2005 IP
  3. tomecki

    tomecki Peon

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    #23
    I have got identical emails. It is the same person I have talked about at starting the thread. Beware of him.
     
    tomecki, May 15, 2005 IP
  4. longhand

    longhand Peon

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    #24
    Hello peoples!

    I can confirm it's cheating, today i've got mails for my ( lostparcel.com ) domain with totally same contents.

    My final answer for the "sender" was the following:
    ""You ask for serious money and I need a proof."

    1. Best proof is your sense that you've found this name.
    "Domain appraising" is the biggest cheating on the world which i've ever heard on my life.
    Imagine it: domain business is very big-big business nowdays and there are some big sellers who haves registered 5.000-20.000 names personally. Enough for these "appraisal companies" if these peoples with big databesaes gives finally 5% of the sold domains amounts for their good appraisals.

    2. Esentially if i'm an owner of a domain name and request an appraising from a company they will give me never verification about a low value, because i didn't give job them more.


    3. (url of this thread where i send post now)

    Longhand"

    ps.: Sorry for my poor english
     
    longhand, May 22, 2005 IP
  5. Blogmaster

    Blogmaster Blood Type Dating Affiliate Manager

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    #25
    here is my opinion about domain appraisals. Honest opinions from members here = priceless.

    Afternic, whatever ... all those are worthless when it comes to appraisals.
     
    Blogmaster, May 22, 2005 IP
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  6. jlawrence

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    #26
    ST, I agree. I'd rather take the opinion of people in here rather than so called appraisal companies.
     
    jlawrence, May 23, 2005 IP
  7. laclergue

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    #27
    heres one i got from him just the other day ...




    From: "Timothy Belliveau" <belliveau@skallebank.com> View Contact Details
    To: "me" <me@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: tbills.us (sent 06/16/05)
    Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 22:59:37 +0200


    5,000 USD. Ok.

    Do you sell a developed site or just domain name? If you don't have a site it's not a problem. I'm mostly interested in domain names without content.

    Do you have an appraisal of your domain? I need an appraisal certificate for domain priced in your range. Domain name is an investment for me. I'm going to sell your name later and make a profit. If I overpay I won't be able to make a profit in the future. It's very important for you and me to know the current market value of your domain.

    Please note that I don't trust free or cheap appraisals. So I cannot accept appraisal from each and every site.


    Sedo is acceptable as a broker but not as an appraiser because your names
    are listed with them and they are not independent. They are interested in
    ovepricing in order to get a fat commission. I need appraisals from a
    company which is not interested in selling your domains.


    To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies in a forum
    http://www.domaintalk.ourplace.com/Archive/23076.htm

    Juck check this posting.

    After I verify an appraisal from you we'll continue our negotiations.

    How do you prefer to get paid: www.PayPal.com, www.escrow.com, check or wire?

    Looking forward to your reply.




    last year he tried the same thing on me with my americanspaceprogram website ... under a different name .... i cant believe he just thinks i'd forget his writing style a year later ... but i'll tell you the one thing i found in common ... the first scam attempt happened when i joined afternic , about a year ago, and the next just a couple days ago, when i left afternic (because of the dues increase), and put all my stuff on sedo ... so ... go figure. i mean , i'm not trying to slander afternic, cuz who knows, this could just be some guy out to make afternic look bad for all i know. anyways, i wish i knew what this guys real name was. this is the ip addy i got off the yahoo header

    X-Originating-IP: [81.27.32.117]
    Return-Path: <belliveau@skallebank.com>
    Authentication-Results: mta303.mail.scd.yahoo.com from=skallebank.com; domainkeys=neutral (no sig)
    Received: from 81.27.32.117 (HELO mx.webhuset.no) (81.27.32.117) by mta303.mail.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:59:40 -0700
    Received: (qmail 12719 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2005 20:59:37 -0000
    Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) (81.27.34.15) by 0 with SMTP; 16 Jun 2005 20:59:37 -0000
    MIME-Version: 1.0
    From: "Timothy Belliveau" <belliveau@skallebank.com>


    but anyways i think youre retarded if you cant tell what a names worth, just by looking at it
     
    laclergue, Jun 18, 2005 IP
  8. tomecki

    tomecki Peon

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    #28
    I think that he wont stop sending scam. There are a lot of people trying to sell theirs domains.
    How many "clients" does he has? I think 5-10 in one month. And you?
     
    tomecki, Jun 23, 2005 IP
  9. cstamets

    cstamets Well-Known Member

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    #29
    Just to let everyone know... this guy is still out there. Got an e-mail from him today, worded just like all the others posted.

    Luckily, I'm too cheap to pay for anything, so I wasn't going to go through with it, but I did get curious and decided to search.
     
    cstamets, Dec 31, 2005 IP
  10. NubKnacker

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    #30
    Recieved the following a few days back :
    Same guy i guess, he hasn't replied to my emails to show some proof of his identity yet. Lucky I found this thread but then again, i'm too cheap to go for a $200/hour appraisal service anyway.
     
    NubKnacker, May 8, 2006 IP
  11. nicnacs30

    nicnacs30 Peon

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    #31
    Wow, I am definitely a domain newbie, but SO glad I read this thread today! The same scam came my way this AM...not that I would pay for someone else's "trusted" appraisal company...

    Opera Solutions to me
    12:20 pm(31 minutes ago)

    11,540 USD. Ok.

    Do you sell a web site or just the name? We are mostly interested in domain names.

    Do you have an appraisal certificate?

    Domain name is an investment for me. In other words I'm going to sell your name later and make a profit. If I overpay I won't be able to make a profit in the future. It's very important for you and me to know the current market value of your domain.

    Of course, we must be sure that you are engaging a reputable appraisal company. I heard many appraisal companies often made inaccurate appraisals. I will only accept appraisals from independent sources I know and trust.

    To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies in a forum
    http://domaintalk.ourplace.com/Archive/75039.htm

    Juck check this posting.

    If the appraisal comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly. I also hope you can give me 10% - 15% discount of the appraised value.

    After I get an appraisal from you we'll continue our negotiations.

    How do you prefer to get paid: www.escrow.com, www.PayPal.com check or wire?

    Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

    Looking forward to your reply.


    I've noticed different names here...so just in case another newbie checks this out...the name he gave me was:
    Takashi Nakagami, Ph. D.
    President
    Opera Systems Ltd.

    Funny how the 1st email said Opera Systems, Ltd...then the 2nd I get 3 minutes after I sent mine was from Opera Solutions...hmmmmmm....
     
    nicnacs30, May 12, 2006 IP
  12. sam79

    sam79 Peon

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    #32
    I know this thread hasn't been active in a while but just to follow up : this guy is still out there, I received this today :

    Hello,

    What is the price you can accept for your domain?

    Our company develops software in Oracle and Interbaser. We work as contractors.

    If you offer more domains for sale with good reselling potential please email
    us your list.

    Looking forward to do business with you.

    Regards,

    Richard Norton
    CEO
    Tulling Consulting
    ___________

    And, following my reply :

    ___________

    How about 5,000 USD?

    Do you sell the name only without web site? I'm interested in the name so
    web site is not so important.

    Do you have an appraisal certificate for your domain name?

    Domain name is an investment for me. In other words I'm going to sell your
    name later and make a profit. If I overpay I won't be able to make a profit
    in the future. It's very important for you and me to know the current market
    value of your domain.

    Of course, we must be sure that you are engaging a reputable appraisal
    company. I heard many appraisal companies often made inaccurate appraisals.
    I will only accept appraisals from independent sources I trust. To avoid
    mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies in a
    forum
    http://domaintalk.ourplace.com/Archive/296814.htm

    Just check this posting.

    If the appraisal comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly.
    I also hope you can give me 10% - 15% discount of the appraised value.

    After I get an appraisal from you we'll continue our negotiations.

    How do you prefer to get paid: www.escrow.com, www.PayPal.com check or
    wire?

    Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

    Looking forward to your reply.

    ______


    So noobs like me out there beware, this crook is still active.
     
    sam79, Mar 25, 2007 IP
  13. danfirst

    danfirst Active Member

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    #33
    Woah, thank God I searched on DP first!
    Received this just coupla hours ago:

    Even after several years? This guy must be doing good cheating alot of newbies like me.
     
    danfirst, Mar 31, 2007 IP
  14. webz

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    #34
    yeah those threads make you aware. Otherwise its easy to buy a worthless appraisal. I never trust in appraisals anyway.
     
    webz, Apr 1, 2007 IP
  15. cmvferreira

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    #35
    Hi,

    I received this email just a couple of days ago:

    "Hello,

    We are interested in systemkeywords.com

    After visiting several domain auctions I've found several good names
    including your . What is your price?

    Buying and selling domains is not a main direction of our business.
    But since domain market is very hot now, buying and selling domain
    names is a good income opportunity. We have a large database of
    clients who are interested in Inernet projects.

    Do you sell domain with a web site or just the name?

    Domain without content is ok with me. Web site is not necessary.

    Have you had your domain names evaluated in the past? I mean domain appraisals.

    Without valuation we cannot be sure in the sale price. It's very important for me in terms of reselling too.

    But we must engage a valuation company with REAL manual service. So I will only accept valuations from independent sources I trust.

    To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies.

    Please check this posting from archive:
    http://domaintalk.007sites.com/Archive/290147.htm

    If, for example, the valuation comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly. It will be fair. I also hope you can give me 12% - 15% discount.

    After you send me the valuation via email (usually it takes 1-2 days to obtain it) we'll continue our negotiations.

    What is your preferred payment method: Escrow.com, International wire transfer, PayPal.com or something else?

    Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

    Looking forward to do business with you.

    Regards,
    Jorge Piderman
    Vice President
    PHR Consulting
    "

    "They" are still out there!...

    Regards

    cmvferreira
     
    cmvferreira, Apr 6, 2008 IP