Private Bradley Manning's Christmas

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Helvetii, Dec 25, 2010.

  1. Bushranger

    Bushranger Notable Member

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    #41
    That doesn't actually contradict Assange's statement. He may have known him under a pseudonym. It says there he hadn't heard the name, not that he hasn't met the person. He may have known him as 'the codeman'.
     
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    #42
    Cheers to Bush doing 9/11 ;)
     
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  3. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #43
    Too bad Deep Throat is dead, other wise they could make a deal with him and charge Bob Woodward with conspiracy for printing about Watergate. :rolleyes:
     
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  4. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #44
    Of course the difference being that Deep Throat actually produced incriminating evidence against the Nixon admin. If Assange could actually produce something actually incriminating he might go from zero to hero. Given the amount of non-incriminating stuff he has put out, even if he came out with something incriminating he still ought to be charged with espionage at this point.
     
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  5. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #45
    Watergate didn´t happen in one day either.
     
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  6. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #46
    But Assange has been doing raw dumps of classified information for quite some time, as well as some releases edited to make them more scandalous like the chopper video. If there were any legitimate whistleblowing mixed in with his espionage, we would have seen it by now.

    By the way, I have it unconfirmed that Wikileaks produced the climate gate data by hacking the Hadley Institute's email database. If so, I enjoyed the hell out of reading it. Almost as much as I enjoyed reading about Saudi Arabia asking for the US to attack their Muslim brothers in Iran. That doesn't mean I wouldn't want him prosecuted on all applicable civil and criminal charges for said hacking. Just because you like the story that was told, doesn't make its release any less criminal.
     
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  7. Helvetii

    Helvetii Notable Member

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    #47
    Can you point out for us what kind of editing was done and how it threatened your national security? Oh wait..

    (US Version)

    [video=youtube;ltkP-nw24WU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltkP-nw24WU[/video]
    Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltkP-nw24WU

    International Version:

    [video=metacafe;5669670/tea_partier_criticizes_wikileaks/]http://www.metacafe.com/watch/5669670/tea_partier_criticizes_wikileaks/[/video]

    http://www.metacafe.com/watch/5669670/tea_partier_criticizes_wikileaks/

    ;)
     
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    #48
    LOL ! Helvetii, did you make that one ?
     
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    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #49
    The chopper video redux clipped out the guys with an RPG and AKs, I didn't claim the editing affected our national security, but it certainly suckered a few unobservant people like yourself into thinking the pilots were referring to camera equipment as weapons. I suppose the reaction of a few weak minded Islamists to such a misleading video could threaten our national security, now that you mention it.

    Of course this has all been covered for you ad nauseum in numerous other threads. I'm trying to figure out why you need people to clip and repost these explanations, as well as the actual quoted text from your own posts where you quote Hitler and belittle those of lower castes within India. I asked before and I'll ask again. Stupidity, or willful ignorance?

    Its a sad day when your credibility is so bad, you need a computer animation to speak for you. I suppose the bright side is, when Google shuts down Helvetii's click fraud business, maybe he can make a few bucks doing computer animations.
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #50
    How about you hire him as Ghost writer for your posts, he has really captured the spirit of your posts in that cartoon? ;):D
     
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    Rebecca Prominent Member

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    #51
    If you read Manning ie. "chat logs with Lamo", it's hard to imagine Manning being able to resist telling Assange his full name. He didn't even really know Lamo, and he's spilling his guts - saying his full name, position in the military, how he feels unloved/under-appreciated in life, classified documents he stole, exactly how he did it, blah, blah, blah. He seemed to be looking for a friend.

    But, for the sake of argument, let's say a pseudonym was used. Assange would have known exactly who Manning was at the time the question was asked. Manning is arrested for releasing all that specific secret information, and reporters ask Assange questions along the lines, "Did you know Manning?" "Did you provide technical assistance to him?" "Did you have any type of relationship with him?" "Did you have any contact with him?" etc. etc. and the response by Assange is:
    In context of the situation, Assange is saying he's had no contact with Manning. Which is misleading at best, that is, if Manning's version is true. It's contradictory. Only 25% of the chat logs between Manning and Lamo were ever published, but a glance over certain sections:

    Source of Chat Logs: Fire Dog Lake (They've combined them from many media sources)
     
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    #52
    I know. Its pathetic that when I look around there's a lot of wannabe smart than a fifth grader.
     
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    #53
    Assuming the first quote is 100% correct then the context I see it in is Assange may have met & colluded with 'the codeman" all the way along as you say but the name Manning was never mentioned. It seems to me he's saying he hasn't heard the name of Manning before because obviously the system they use doesn't use real names. If that's the secret system they use that makes sure identities are kept secret then it would have been used all along and Assange probably did all he could to make sure he'd never know Manning's real name. That quote doesn't say they've never met.

    Albeit your Assange/Manning collusion before-hand theory is probably totally correct there is nothing I see in the quote that is contradictory. To get to your conclusion, just like mine, one must imagine things that happened. The facts are still unknown to us.
     
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    #54
    The thing is h still has more blood on his hands then most terrorists .
     
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    #55
    The same is true of Adolph Hitler. Hitler gave everything, even his life, for the German people. Hitler and Manning are two of a kind.

    Excellent point.

    He wanted to be special. Now he's special.

    ROFL. :D

    I would hate to see that. Manning, as the inside man, deserves stronger disapprobation than Assange, an avowed enemy agent.
     
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    Breeze Wood Peon

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    #56
    Anyone making such a stupid statement / analogy deserves only to be laughed at.
     
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    #57
    You're just laughing nervously because you didn't understand what was said.
     
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    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #58
    Quite true. Let me provide an interpretation that Breeze and Bushie can understand.

    Does that make it any clearer?
     
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    #59
    Beef jerky... coming out my nose. I'll sue! And in California I can win! :p
     
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    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #60
    So true. :(

    Speaking of suing, I've actually been pouring over this guy's website this morning, and I have to say, I'm inspired. I find the idea of bogging down spammers and with nuisance law suits to be wonderfully ironic. Just the thought of them having to send a $500/hr attorney to the local small claims court to defend against a $500 small claims suit which will invariably be found against them has a trolling lolz value far in excess of anything to be obtained on any public forum. The fact that it would be happening to people who get their chuckles by watching people try and get off their spam lists has something almost Zen like about it.
     
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