President Bush Fan Club because he is not all bad

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Rebecca, Nov 19, 2006.

  1. Codythebest

    Codythebest Notable Member

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    #321
    Not yet.
    and I confirm, with Jefferson, Hamilton and Kennedy, Clinton was one of the best Presidents in History.
     
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    #322
    Interesting. What are your opinions on Washington, Franklin, and Lincoln?
     
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    #323
    Oh, sorry. I almost forgot! As requested, I will say one good thing about President Bush:

    He appointed two conservative Justices to the Supreme court.
     
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  4. jessecooper

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    #324
    hmmmm... i would put Clinton in the ranks of James Buchanan...
     
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    #325
    Hamilton...Alexander Hamilton? If so, that guy was never president...he was killed by Aaron Burr, and he wasn't born in 'America' [on the island of Nevis in the West Indies]. My personal opinion of him is fairly low in comparison to Jefferson. It's his ardent philosophy of centralized banking that broke our government from it's long history of freedom.

    Jefferson and Kennedy were good presidents for their time, and had their own failures. I like Jefferson the most personally, because he broke the back of the federalists, and made it a long-term process to acquire goals they had.

    Clinton's adminstration was highly connected to Chinese spies. Had he not released restrictions on missile technology, China would not be a viable nucleur threat. And given how untrustworthy China is, I wouldn't give them an inch in how worthy they are to hold such a deadly technology..and not share it. But call him one of the best if you want to....I wouldn't hold my breath for him. Especially if a Chinese nuke ever comes our way.
     
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    #326

    dont forget though... the Chinese laborers pretty much built our rail system in the 1800's! Thanks China!!!
     
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    #327
    I'll answer that for you, even though your not asking me.

    Washington: One of the most ethical leaders ever. And when I say leader, I mean it. I could say a lot of good things about him, so much so that it depresses me that others like Clinton could ever compare...but ehhh.

    Franklin: I dislike his domestic policies to a degree. I do not like the fact he stayed in office so long to appoint as many judges (virtually destroying the respectability of the court)...and I think many of our government problems stem from his excredibly long presidency. Although as a war leader he did what few other presidents did. He nullified social programs almost entirely and focused on the war. He was excellent at giving people hope, and he did what was necessary.

    And I will say, his idea of giving jobless people work on infrastructure is atleast okay with me...I'm a libertarian at heart, but if you're going to help people out, having them build infrastructure and give them a skill.

    Lincoln: Hmmmm. This is a hard one. I'd say he's stubborn man, and he could have avoided the Civil War. But I think the south was just as stubborn and perhaps history would be better-off the way he did it. I do not like the idea of domestically destroying law as he did, but he made his chose and went with it. I know of no other president but Washington that could conceiveable do it, but I don't even know if Washington could have that much heart to do that...that long. It would tear his heart-up to commit war against his own people, and Washington even regreted his small squirmish with the Whiskey Rebellion.

    All in all, I don't like Lincoln's effect on history. But then again, I don't like slavery 10 times more. His intentions weren't to end it, but that's what happened. His general laid the way, and ended-up committing genocide on the American Indians of that time. It's a really sad point in history, and I couldn't bare the idea of something like that happening today. That's why I'm so ardent on issues like immigration...I think that could be the next cause of civil war.... if the approach is taken wrongly.
     
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  8. Codythebest

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    #328
    I agree. Half of illegal immigrants never cross the border from Mexico.
    Lots of them did ask to an embassy how to proceed, follow the rules as told, and got stuck after a point of no return.
    A better immigration policy at the source will cut illegal immigration by half...
     
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  9. Libertate

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    #329
    So, what you are saying is that 5.5 million (half of 11 million although I am not sure where that number comes from) people went through the embassy?

    I was under the impression most countries, including the US, are pretty clear on what are the rules on border crossing.
     
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    #330
    Definitely a man I respect highly. I will probably do more reading on him in the future.

    I see. Wasn't he the one that, during wartime, built up our highway system for the more efficient moving of supplies and troops?

    Interesting. I was under the impression that at least one state announced, before the election, that if Lincoln was elected, they would succeed from the nation. What do you mean by domestically destroying law?
     
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    #331
    You're not under the right impression. It is not clear at all...
     
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    #332
    Is it not true that all autonomous countries issue passports, and visas where necessary?

    If so, wouldn't a reasonable person presume that any other sovereign state would require some sort of an approval to enter their territory?

    I have traveled 4 continents (soon to be 5) and yet to find a person who did not understand that I needed some sort of an approval by their government to enter their land. The Mboum, the Assurini, and the Tu all knew that I had to have a passport (and visa in these cases).

    Are you saying that the illegal imigrants in the U.S. are less "civilized" or not as smart compared to people to whom electricity is still almost magical?
     
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    #333
    Nooo...thanks America!

    Those were Chinese immigrants. Ya think China came over and built us a railroad out of the goodness of there hearts or something? :D

    The Chinese were fleeing oppression in China and searching for opportunity in America.

    Thanks to the American immigrants from China who HELPED build the railroad.
     
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    #334
    Clinton, one of the best? Haha, hilarious. Anyway, back to the topic. One good thing about Bush... Hmm... He's a Texan ;) .
     
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    #335

    Classic.

    Do you remember the excellent 1987 film "Full Metal Jacket"?

    :p :p :p
     
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    #336
    everyone remembers full metal jacket!!!
     
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    #337
    Saddam is a very bad ruler of a country (Maybe). But who gives the right to GWB to attack his country? Did the Iraqis’ have asked him to attack their country? I don't think so if they have asked him to help against Saddam there would be a PEACE in IRAQ.

    IMO GWB is the most ignorant Civillian Dictator in the history of Mankind. Because of his ignorance the whole region is unstable now. Don’t just believe everything you see on Fox News or whitehouse.gov. Even US allies aren't happy with his policies. He is the worst president America ever had.
     
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  18. Codythebest

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    #338
    I understand. But you missed my point.
    In order to have a visa of any kind, you need to follow the country's regulations. When you follow them, word by word, and get denial, this is where the problem is.
    The immigration problem need to be cleared in foreign embassies first.
     
    Codythebest, Dec 15, 2006 IP