PR - Quantity vs Quality

Discussion in 'Google' started by SEOjr, Aug 28, 2007.

  1. yllib89

    yllib89 Banned

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    #21
    quality is always better!!!!!!!!
     
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  2. workshop

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    #22
    You can do just as well using the free directories but its the luck of the draw and there is no long term assurance. You need to look closely for a directory master. What are their long term prospects? This is where the value lies. But PR2 - 4 is where you will find the directories that are not over capitalising and buying PR. Its a good start.
    pr has little or no affect on serp's and there are reasons for this. Google is currently changing feet and causing a fair amount of anxiety amongst those who were unfortunate enough to get sucker onto that merry-go-round.
     
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  3. pingpong123

    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    #23
    If u can get a link from one quality edu site that will be more valuable then a 100 regular links
     
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  4. workshop

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    #24
    I would agree. Just as all sites showing site links in the seach results are not Authority Sites.
    Yes and the value lies in the fact that they are natural. It doesnt mean that a bought link isnt a quality link or that it isnt going to pass you value. What it means is that YOU are dong something right whereas if you buy your link YOU know that you are doing something wrong.
    You may be right on the other hand there is evidence that suggests you may be wrong. Situations change, time moves on whereas these quotes dont. The point I woud like to make is that you dont want to go buying PR. Thats dumb. I would rather buy service from someone who submits sites to reputable directories that have zero PR. One is legit the other is not. One has value the other not.
     
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  5. jhmattern

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    #25
    I wasn't trying to imply that a paid link won't pass as much value as a natural link, but rather that there's no need to buy links to increase your PR if you know how to run an effective site.

    The source quotes can definitely be changed by Google when the facts change (which I'm sure they will eventually with all of the supposed upcoming changes in the pagerank arena). But for now, that's just the way it's done. If it had no effect whatsoever, there would at least be additional info directly from them about it somewhere. On top of it, general searches very often show the same thing (looking at short, very highly searched for terms as opposed to long tail phrases where the competition may not be as relevant as a low PR site). Sure, some newer sites pull out SEO tricks to rank well, but the bulk I see are higher PR sites up front - the ones who get there more naturally without needing to pull out those same tricks. I think it says a lot when one group tends to have to put more effort in to achieve the same results.
     
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  6. workshop

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    But I was. The value of any site lies in the person running the site and if they believe that they need need to buy PR to boost the value of their site they will also believe that pigs can fly and their judgement should not be trusted.
    Dont see it. Google cannot be trusted either. Contrary to what they would like to believe they are a corporation and nothing I have seen supports the claim that PR carries any weight into the serps. Key word optimisation and back links is what its all about and yes that might change. But PR is NO, nada nothing. Its was dream in a cyber paradise thats turning out to be more of a nightmare for some.
     
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    #27
    Backlinks determine PR, so they're inherently connected. ;)
     
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  8. workshop

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    #28
    One back link from a high PR site can have profound impact on your sites PR but is not going to get you anywhere near page #1 in the serp's. Back links in low PR sites will get you to #1 on Google for targeted keywords but it wont get you the PR you want.

    I dont see it. :D
     
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  9. SEOjr

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    #29
    I've heard different opinions on BL, PR and SERP here. This is my understanding. Correct if I'm wrong.

    1. "quantity and quality" combination of BL determines the PR.

    2. Good site contents boost PR and get SE index more pages.

    2. PR value determines the position in SERP while SE processing search request.

    3. Some suggested that SERP has no relationship with PR. You could get Page 1 even though you have a PR 0. I agree if it is an odd keyword. If the keyword is more competitive, you will have to compete with sites with high PR. While I conducted my study on some competitive keywords, I found most sites in P.1 are PR 4 or higher. That's why I focus on PR. If I have a PR 4 or higher and combining with optimized pages, I will have a better chance in Page 1.
     
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    #30
    Its more about the quality
     
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  11. workshop

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    #31
    Forget about PR. It cant be traded. It no longer has any value. It a liability. This is real. Its good advise. Its todays news in case you missed it. Rather concentrate on your content and ask yourself why you are here. If its to make quick and easy money, exit stage left. PR NO LONGER SELLS. Its gone. Poof, nada, nothing and you know who is to blame.

    Serp's and traffic are important as are genuine back links. But avoid the temptation to piss on every tree you find. Those sort of links are worthless. Its anchor text you want. Try to understand that this is a high volume, low value business and its not worth your time or effort building five thousand links in two months. It can and will all be wiped out in the flash of a light bulb. Concentrate on long term.
     
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    #32
    The old days of toolbar pr and the montly google dance are long gone.
     
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    #33
    cruisevacationsworld.... u mentioned its new...i bumped into it somewhere recently, can't remember where. Is it a newly registered domain name?
     
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    #34
    anybody have a standard average price for each PR links?
     
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    #35
    PR 0 sites are in big demand these days. They are new onto the market and dont carry the baggage other sites do. :)
     
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    #36
    PR0 links can be good
     
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    Why PR 0 is good? Do you mean it is better than "Not Assigned"? Can you explain in more details?
     
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  18. workshop

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    Because it irritates those who pretend not to know any better. Sadly however they are not quite as aggressive and self assured these days. Notice how quite it has become. I havent had a red rep for days now ;).

    But to answer the question the chances are that PR 0 indicates that a site is at least four months old. A pre-meltdown model but thats about it. Much the same as a PR7 directory. The only difference between the two is that the owner of the high PR directory has most likely paid a small fortune building links and dubious relationships which is something to worry about in these dark days. And right now the higher the PR the better the chances are that the owner is looking for a way out. There is going to be a crash if not today maybe tomorrow. But its coming and I would rather put my money on a PR 0 directory.

    Some people believe that because Dmoz gives the serp's a boost a PR5 is a better bet than a PR4 site but I dont. Although anything is possible it does not necessarily follow that the quantity of back links pointing to a site, that points to you helps your serp's. It might do but the difference is so small its not worth worrying about. I use the free lists which are mostly made up of new directories looking for start up content and they work like a dream. Not so quick as a high PR site but who is in a hurry?

    The only problem is that you dont know who you are dealing with and how long the happiness will last. The only two questions you need to ask when link building are, is this page going to get spidery (easy one) and how long will it last.
     
    workshop, Sep 3, 2007 IP