PR and SRP relation

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  1. #1
    What is the relation between having good PR and Search Result Pages ?
     
    Nokia999, Jan 7, 2006 IP
  2. Sorror

    Sorror Active Member

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    There is no such relation.
     
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  3. Davilac

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    I would say good SERPS, because lots of backlinks can mean sometimes good PR, but I have seen never a prove good PR means good Rankings
     
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    daredashi Well-Known Member

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    They are not related to each other. PR is counted on number of back links and SERP is based on quality back links.
     
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    Dirkjan The Dutch SEO Guy

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    They are related to eachother by the fact that both are being (partly) measured with backlinks. A good PR can also make sure that you get to be freaquently spidered which means Google knows your most actual content.

    Next to that there are some indications (to me only indications, no proof yet) that PR is part of the calculation for SERPS (like 1-10%) and that it makes Google crawl your website more serious (deep). There are also rumors that a good PR makes you get out of the sandbox quicker but I have no proof seen of this.
     
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  6. William Martin

    William Martin Active Member

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    My thinking is thus:

    If I have good PR - it means I have good backlinks. This "helps" but is by no means the full story. Quality probably rules over quantity. Ideally you'll have both - but difficult if you're working in a competitive corporate business environment.

    If it "helps" then it's worth the effort in my opinon, but I do think people are over obsessive about it and think it is somewhat of a red herring.
     
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  7. Nokia999

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    Then what is the exact benefit of having good pR ?
     
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  8. William Martin

    William Martin Active Member

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    Nobody knows for SURE, only those with the Google Algo (please PM me with the Google Algo) ;) . Imho having a good PR provides extra "points" when the Google algo is assesing your site. Having a good PR is not going to make you loose Googlypoints is it? It can only "help".

    I'm no expert - i'm learning all the time, like most of us. That is just my thinking at this time. :)
     
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  9. TMan

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    I think SERPS are mostly based on the relevance of the results, not the PR. So a low PR website can easily outrank a high PR website if it's more relevant to the search query.

    This indeed means that you'll want relevant inks instead of high PR links only.
     
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    Then what is the benefit of gaining high PR ?
     
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  11. William Martin

    William Martin Active Member

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    It's not about PR it's about backlinks. Gaining backlings helps SERPS. Gaining backlings helps PR. Therefore gaining PR (PR = backlinks) helps SERPS. I don't see how PR is anything but another word for backlinks.
     
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    :D Maybe its goog's term on backlinks :)
     
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    Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

    Okay, it's not quite a conundrum on that level, as the backlinks obviously came first.

    Equally obvious is that there is a relationship between PR and SERP on some level. As pointed out, both of these are weighted on backlinks, and the quality thereof, it can't be denied that there is a correlation.

    However, content is still king IMO when it comes to SERP, and quality backlinks are also a major factor. So, it's possible to rank well for keywords and not have a high PR. Hell, it's possible to rank well and have a crappy PR for that matter.

    I would have to think that this was part of the goal of the Jäger update - to put a little chlorine in the pool so to speak.

    Why is PR important? In essence, it's not.

    How many normal Internet users who are not webmasters, SEO, and the like, are even aware of PR?
     
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  14. William Martin

    William Martin Active Member

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    I agree but I still can't see any difference between PR and Backlinks. PR is backlinks. Its the same thing. Google has just renamed backlinks as PR. Do you not agree?

    If that is the case - if backlinks are important then PR is equally important as they are the same thing.

    I'm tying myself up in lingual knots over this. lol
     
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  15. TMan

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    There is no linear connection between PR and BL's, so there is quite a big difference. The PR is not based purely on BL's, the PR of the linking page and the total of outgoing links has a great deal to do with this.

    I think PR can be important, because it seems to influence the amount of googlebot attention one gets.
     
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    Well,

    No doubt, Backlinks are the major factor to affect PR, but PR does not only depends on Backlinks.There are a lot of factor, yes a lot.

    According to Google:
    "PageRank Technology: PageRank performs an objective measurement of the importance of web pages by solving an equation of more than 500 million variables and 2 billion terms."

    Reference: http://www.google.com/intl/en/corporate/tech.html

    So, in general PR is the measure of impotance of a page on Web
    Note: I didn't said website.

    and Ranking can be related to PR in terms of backlinks but major factor once again is quality of the backlinks. By quality i mean PR of the site where link is placed and anchor text. Ofcourse these are not the only things to affect Ranking but major ones.

    So William, PR is importance of the page on Web and Ranking is the trust (vote) of other websites for your's for THAT specific word, you are searching for.

    You may get PR5 with very few backlinks but may not get higher rank on search results. But you may get your PR3 website on the first page with alot of backlinks with good anchor text.


    I think i made it clearer. Here is the link for more information on PR, you might be intrested.
    http://www.google.com/technology/
     
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  17. TMan

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    Welcome to DP Idiot Inside!

    You've made an excellent post, but I believe you've interpreted this:

    incorrectly.

    Do you honestly think google has like millions of things defined which determine PR? Let's try it:

    1. BL's
    2. Meta tags
    3. KW density
    4. Amount of relevant text
    5. Eeeh

    Well, I'm sure you could think of some more, but millions? No way.

    I believe google is referring to the iterative nature of PR. That means every page influences another, if it's linked to it somehow (this may be with any amount of "hops").

    So, to calculate the PR of a given page you don't only have to use the BL's in that calculation, but also the BL's of every page with a BL to the original page, and BL's of pages with BL's to every page with a BL and so on. Looked at it this way, the PR algorithm easily uses millions of variables.

    Apart from all this, google claims in the quoted above that PR is an objective measurement, thus not evaluating the content in any way.
     
    TMan, Jan 9, 2006 IP
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