PR 3 ranks lower than a PR 0

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  1. Chris Grant

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    #21
    To sell links on these pages and to get links from a symilar PR page. It's easier to get a link from a valuable website if you have the same (great) PR.
     
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    john269 Notable Member

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    #22
    Because PR only contributes to a very little bit of the ranking when ranking sites, if not hardly any at all.

    PR is overrated and doesn't mean much.
     
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  3. jiosis

    jiosis Well-Known Member

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    #23
    I highly disagree with you guys.

    I have a pr5 blog, even my new articles rank very well in google first page in around 24 hours from the posting time.


    Have you ever seen any low pagerank website, ranks well in good, competitive keywords ? Absolutely not ! So it is highly important but it is not the only factor !

    In fact, to rank well in Google, it is a SHOULD but it's not enough! There are lots of other things to be considered.
     
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  4. john269

    john269 Notable Member

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    #24
    It is very unlikely to see a high PR site rank high/well. You are quite right about that, but it's not really down to the PR. It's down to the backlinks and the quality of them. If you have some good backlinks, then you are going to get better rankings. Now because of these good backlinks you are going to increase your PR anyway. So a site with a low PR can't really rank well as it wouldn't hardly have any backlinks to do this and backlinks is the main thing that google uses as far as I know.
     
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  5. oseymour

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    #25
    What is the direct relationship between PR and SERPs?
     
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  6. allout

    allout Prominent Member

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    #26
    There is very little correlation between the two. Because you have a PR3, PR4 , PR5, or whatever, it does not mean you have traffic and it does not mean that you will rank high in the SERPs. I had a site that I made and with in two weeks it hit #1 in Google for the search term I was focusing on and it is still there. I had a PR3 site with lots of back links and it was not even on the first 500 pages in the results.

    The main key is to build rich content with keywords to match what you are focusing on. Update your site often and build relevant links to your site. PR is a status symbol and great for selling links or to sell a website but it does little to build traffic unless your links are on related sites to your niche. It is way overrated and is such a small pebble in the scheme of things.

    If you are looking to turn over your site for a quick sell or to sell links, chase after PR. If you are looking for a long term money making site, focus on original quality content and lost of it and work on building traffic. If you do this all the other rankings will fall into place.
     
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  7. jiosis

    jiosis Well-Known Member

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    #27
    First of all, pagerank is effect of backlinks so higher pagerank has direct relation with backlinks.

    Pagerank will put weight on your content, so if you want to test do the same optimizations you did on a higher pagerank site and you will see that is going to beat your pr0 site in google.
    In equal on-page/site situations google will sort the result based on pagerank and backlinks.

    I'm 100% sure the keyword you became #1 (long term) is not a competitive search term because if it was, the higher pagerank sites would get first results.

    Also about your new site.
    If your site is new, wait a month and you will not find it even in the first 100 pages till it gets out of sandbox. (It happens for new unique sites temporarily because of their fresh content.)
     
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  8. BigMumu

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    #28
    IMHO, it's impossible to compare unless the two pages (1 with high PR & other with low PR) have exactly the same content as the PR is not the only factor but also the content & keywords placement.

    The only thing I'm sure about high PR sites, is that they are indexed fast, & if a link on them points to a low PR site, google will index this last one fast too.
     
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  9. allout

    allout Prominent Member

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    #29
    Two months old and still #1 for "stumble exchange".

    I never said it was not! I said it does not affect the SERPs, do you disagree that content is more important than PR?

    I did more on the higher PR site and it increased the PR but did little for the Serps.


    I agree with you on that point. You can get indexed quickly with a link from a high PR site and if it is relative site, you will most likely gain some PR on the next update but the key to gaining in the SERP is to build good solid content and focusing on related links to your niche.
     
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  10. jiosis

    jiosis Well-Known Member

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    #30
    Oops. That is not a site, it's a blog and it is considered as a subdomain of blogspot ! You won't be in google's sandbox because subdomains are exceptions and you are getting ranked because of the keyword in url BUT if someone else get another url with same situation but get more backlinks with higher pagerank, it has a good chance to win !

    For sure content is the key ! That all the search is about ! you are searching for content but which of these content optimized sites will rank higher is what pagerank is about.

    As I mentioned, someone may copy all your techniques and start optimizing the content exactly as yours (with unique content), then pagerank can specify which one to rank higher.

    Also there are some exceptions like google bombs that show the importance of backlinks comparing to content.
     
    jiosis, Jul 5, 2007 IP
  11. stickysnail

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    #31
    Page rank is definitely not the issue here. Its all about relevancy. That site may have words placed in the right places and may have anchor links from sites for those keywords. Its also possible on the next update that That sites PR will go up.
     
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  12. mvandemar

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    #32
    In general, excluding cases where you get hit with an over-optimization penalty, the higher the PageRank on the pages that link to you, the more weight the anchor text on those link will carry, and the better you will rank for those phrases.

    -Michael
     
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  13. cynia

    cynia Well-Known Member

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    #33
    So if my website is only four months old and the others website is one year and two months old his website will rank better even though his rank is lower?
     
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  14. Markwebuk

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    #34
    Page rank has nothing to do with the search results but I think domain age matters in SE rankings.
     
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  15. jiosis

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    #35
    It's funny when people say "it has nothing to do with search result"
    So what is it for ? :)
    It has direct effect on search ranking for google but nevermind, it's good for you if you can rank well in google for competitive keywords without pagerank.
     
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  16. cynia

    cynia Well-Known Member

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    #36
    Page rank matters ONLY for the keyword google haas given the PAGERANK

    this is my opinion
     
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  17. theo-zzzz

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    #37
    Like Matt Cutts said:


     
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  18. eshannon

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    #38
    Here's the simple answer to the original question:

    The PR 0 site is probably outranking your PR 3 site for the given keyword for the same reason that a PR 0 site outranks cnn.com (PR 9) for the phrase "carrier pigeon dayton ohio."

    Just because a site has high PR doesn't mean it'll outrank every other site under the sun for every keyword.

    Like others have said, it all boils down to what Google has determined what your page is about (through things like anchor text, title tags, etc). If your site and incoming anchor text has nothing to do with carrier pigeons in dayton, ohio, you can be PR 10 and not show up in the top 1000 results for that phrase.

    So what's the solution to your problem? Easy. Get some good links with the right anchor text. Fix your title tag. It should be pretty easy to outrank a PR 0 site, unless the dude did some major link building since the last toolbar update.

    Make sense?
     
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  19. contbd

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    #39
    Do you have relevant content in your site which are rich with those keywords? Do your site optimized with proper Title and h1 tags? Does Your competitor’s site’s content is more rich than yours? Check out these basic things. I think you can find out the problem.
     
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  20. BigMumu

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    #40
    I would agree with the bold part. Will you explain what's an "over-optimization penalty" please?
     
    BigMumu, Jul 6, 2007 IP