like my english knowledge in technical expressions is too weak could someone pm me and add me on msn to explain me how this service works? i will sign up as ur refferal thanks
I am one of the many people saying that eventually it will crumble, these business modules rely heavily on new members investing the cash, when new people to invest there dollars dries up - then so does the ability to pay the existing members. Old members are already stable and they can continue to use funds in their accounts and hence they don't put new funds into it - they simply invest on a 50/50 basis. So with out new investors they will collapse, by saying there's no one else doubting this scheme or in fear of this scheme - you are dead wrong - even the ones who are investing heavily are in fear and they are prepared for the eventual downfall. So I would advise you to go back and read what others are saying. In saying this - I realize that there are some who loose money and this one reason why they can keep their heads above the water, the ones who loose money are the ones who invest and don't do the required surfing daily - it's my understanding that if you invest and fail to meet the required surfing daily that you may loose your money invested - am I wrong ?
yes you are wrong to a degree. 1st off the company only pays out on 50 percent of the total amount of money that is taken in for that day. Out of that they split that money up on all ad packages that day. This some how (don't ask me I am not a mathmatician on this) breaks down to a percentage. now that percentage is anywhere between .50 to 8 percent (8 percent is cap) that is paid to the members who do their requirements. Those that do their daily requirements which is: 1 surf 24 sites a day 2 have at least 1 website to promote will be paid their percentage for that day. if a person doesn't it doesn't mean they lose their money it just means they lost out on earning that day. a person if they wanted to could surf 1 time a week but they will only receive rebates=cash for that day they surfed as long as they have a website to display. they don't lose the cash money in their accounts, they don't lose their ad packages they just lose out on that days earnings. they are only operating the whole system on 50 percent the other 50 percent is used for overhead costs and out sourced advertising i believe, and back up. I would agree with you if everyone just did 50/50 yes the system would die off. but that would be no different then any other business like i stated earlier if everyone quit buying gas at a particular place because the prices were way to high how long are they going to be in business? If everyone stopped buying at their favorite stores, etc.... that business isn't going to be around long at all. This program is made so 1 its affordable (Free to join) (free to operate) (free to earn) and 2 has safeguards in place so that it won't fail. such as having monies not only come in from those within the program but having monies coming in from those programs outside of this program. I know they have something to do with domains, etc. So there are other resources in order to maintain the program. Most programs you are talking about are structured on a pyramid where all money is coming from downlines and when you cannot find any more people then the line dies. This isn't the case considering everyone makes anywhere from .50 up to 8 percent a day for earnings. just because you put 50 bucks in lets say today doesn't mean tomorrow you have 62.50 it will take anywhere from 100-125 days if not a little longer then that depending on percentage rates. I commend you I thought like you, I studied this, I looked at same things you already showed me, I wouldn't have asked or told anyone to do anything less. This business plan that has been put in place does work and is working and with 50 percent on the back table each day for back up funding etc it really makes it kinda hard to think that this could fail I mean really what company cannot operate on a 50 percent budget. I hope this clears it up a little more for you Thsadmin. This thread isn't really to convince or not to convince people to join the program. This thread is really questions and answers and comments about the program. But the main issue you keep beating around the bush on is the same one I have said over and over each day and yet you won't address this issue at all. If you can join for free, If you can earn for free, If you can make 3 percent off your referrals, What really do you lose? nothing but time. I don't tell anyone to buy membership or to buy ad packages, That is up to each individual as a whole. Those that do will those that won't won't. so answer this question: If you didn't pay for something and made something from it did you get scammed? If you didn't pay for something and the company goes under did you get scammed? The only answer you can come up with is no. In order to be scammed you have to lose something. If you have nothing to lose then its really hard to be scammed. Right or wrong Thsadmin?
Sure if you are just watching and doing the by standing, but that does defeat the purpose .... right ? You are not promoting the free side of things and nor is anyone else, if you think that you are - then you can look no further than your signature for evidence - the "earn 125%" - if you're talking about free, then what's 125% of nothing ? simple = nothing. Now the point is you have to invest the dollars to get a return and this is the basis of this system, this site does not rely upon free members, the site needs $s invested to survive. The 50/50 is the members that invest an initial sum and then they continue to invest the 50% of earnings, hence they don't actually invest a cent once their initial funds are paid back to them. They just invest their 50% of profit margins .... This isn't child's play and there are huge amounts of dollars in this game, it's gambling, members know this and hope that they are not on the end of this chain when it crumbles. Also as an affiliate you are reliant on the cash invested by your referrals, what do you get for referring a free member and what do you get for referring an investor ? answer truthfully ....
Do you not understand the meaning of my name? Frebe? it means (Free be) if it isn't free it isn't me. as a free member you get 3 percent of what your downline makes. I make 3 percent if I refer a free member or paying member I get 3 percent. in order to get the higher percentages you need membership which means paying for it. but again you don't need to buy membership, and you don't need to pay a thing. You still kinda missed the point. what store do you ever goto to buy things that sells everything for the same amount that they bought if for. how long are stores going to be in business if they always sell things for the same price that they got it for? again this isn't an investment (those that purchase such as I have bought ad packages.)(and no this wasn't with my money this was with free and clear money I wouldn't have seen anyways) I am being honest. You ask anyone that I ever talk to about any program they will tell you that I tell them not to put a single penny in not to buy membership etc. I don't ask, I don't tell, I don't suggest, etc that anyone spend a dime on any program. If it isn't free it isn't me. How can I do this you may say easy. First off I do have several programs that pay that doesn't cost a thing to do except join and advertise it. have you read this thread in DP? http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=541001 The newsroom is one of the greatest programs. This is one program I would recommend to everyone now if someone like me can earn on a reg. basis (that most of the free website urls were on url blacklist). meaning that freewebs (is free webhosting site but because they allow porono, and other ads that violate the T.O.S. anyone using there hosting site cannot use the newsroom.) but I was making 50 bucks a month on avg for about 4-5 months til not to long ago. Now I am looking for another program or hosting site to get my newsroom site back up and running. but again the point is this. Now I made a total of 250 dollars so far off the newsroom cash money. I have this money now if I put this money into a program and I lose it am I out anything? NO, If I didn't have to do anything for it then its free money so if I spend free money on a program and it works then what? If I get burnt what am I out the 250 dollars that I wouldn't have had in the first place. Again you ask any one person who answers this thread or who has talked to me. and I will pose the question here. Has anyone ever heard me to say to them to spend money into a program? Have I not said in any 1 conversation not to put your own money into a program? I don't advocate spending money out of one's pocket to do a program. That would be stupid. I don't like people being scammed, I don't like being scammed. I don't want nobody saying or putting my name in a light of scams. Have I been scammed yes, Have I lost my own personal money yep, how did this make me feel pissed me off. What do I do to get back at people and programs like this. by finding legitamete programs that do work and if I find a program that does work or someone tells me of a program that does work then I take that money put it into that program. All I am out really is my time. I know people that have been in this program for allot longer then I have are they making money yep, am I going to spend my own money to do it nope, am I going to spend money from other programs that I wouldn't have otherwise gotten you bet. Does this hurt anyone nope, I can't help what each individual does, I cannot be responsible for other peoples actions I can only be responsible for my own actions, and I can only be responsible for what I do. Any website I have ever tried to put up, blog, etc. All state the same thing don't put your money into a program. I don't know how else to make it any more clearer then that. And if someone wants to put money into a program and insist on it even after I tell them no. I try to give them other avenues to make that money back. The newsroom is one of the best avenues for me to do this. Now I hope this clears things up and clears up my position and where I stand with any and every program whether new or old. Again I tell you ask anyone in this thread, anyone in this thread please who knows me please respond. Have I ever told anyone to spend any money what so ever in any program?
I admire your skepticism thsadmin. And of course there is a lot of greed and dishonesty today and one needs a healthy skepticism to survive financially. I certainly look at everything in a similar fashion. Yet after thoroughly examining Ad Surf Daily (ASD) full-time for 2 months now I have become a member and have already created a significant income. What separates ASD form their form the others is the rate at which we are paid our $125% rebates. If a company guarantees the rate at which they pay out then of course they are an illegal ponzi scheme. While it is true that ASD guarantees the 125% payout they only pay out 50% of a given day's income in rebates. That means that the company can survive indefinitely regardless of rate of new money coming in. By the way ASD already has a number of millionaires and Andy Bowdoin's goal is to help create 100,000 millionaires. ASD has attracted over 60,000 members and by my estimate well over $100,000,000.00. They have taken the power of those numbers to the next step and now have over 400 corporations that are paying to advertise to ASD members. These funds will be used to pay our rebates as well. The fact that 400 corporations and 60,000 people believe in the viability of ASD certainly lends weight to the legitimacy to the ASD Cash Generator.
You know a wise man once said that there are no Guarantees with life. There are only 3 things that are Guranteed to any one person. those are these: You have to pay Taxes You have to be the race you are You have to die Other then that there are no Guarantee's that anyone can make to anyone. As far as risk we all risk things everyday the biggest thing we all risk everyday is our lives. Every time we wake up in the morning and go through our daily routine we put our lives at risk its a fact of life. You don't know if you going to fall down hit your head an die, you don't know if you going to be in an accident of some sort, you don't know if you going to even have a heart attack. Risk is a daily life issue that we all face. Some of us will take certain risks while others won't doesn't make me or anyone else better then the other person. But realize that without risk there is no reward. There are those that can stay home all day and do nothing and go nowhere and not take a chance at daily life. There are others that will go running around town and doing what not. There are others that will jump out of a perfectly good airplane. It depends on what kind of a risk each person wants to take and where each individual wants to be. Is this a risk I am willing to take sure with OPM (other peoples money that I make off of other programs on my own.) Just because you bungee jump or sky dive, doesn't mean I am going to. and visa versa the choice again is up to any one individual. Any one who would state you have to put this or you have to buy that or you need to buy this or that those are the programs you have to worry about. This program says hey run it, advertise it, join for free don't spend a dime, If you find that in time you making money, and that the company is holding to its own values and intergrety that it has set out then at that point its your decision, Nobody is forcing anyone to spend a dime or asking anyone to spend a dime. Risk its a part of life what more can I say, me doing this again is no different then somebody doing skydiving which I would never do.
Ask anyone who was with 12DailyPro and similar schemes also - if that was a scheme, there were more numbers involved in 12dailyPro than the current number of ASD, there was also StormPay involved - StormPay at the time was the second most popular payment processor - second to PayPal. 12Dailypro went under, stormpay held back funds and reversed payments to members and these were huge numbers also. Now try and find Stormpay and 12DailyPro ? 12dailyPro has gone (a long time ago), have a look at stormpay also. Such a program like this and ASD are driven by greed - both by users and the key players, after the current spending trends die and further issues rise, ASD will leave with out a trace, members will be burnt, big names will also be scarred for life and several will walk away rich. But that's the thing, sure you can say i only do free, so for you your loses are minimal. Big deal, I can't see many real warnings from you anywhere neither, you can't turn a blind eye to the risks just because you do things for free, nor can you preach the legitimacy of the program in the long term. I remember less than a week ago you wrote me this, to a question where I stated I had $5000 to spend on something - where I could get a guaranteed return on investment : Now I didn't even ask for the PM, but you felt obligated to inform me that I could spend my $5000 with ASD .... I thought you didn't push it for financial purposes and gains for your self ....
There's a link here on SEC's Site 12Daily Pro is the one that's in the article...some one told me, that ASD differes from these other sites that got shut down, in the fact that SEC has no jurisdiction over an advertising company that pays rebates. You are not investing! You are paying for advertising, getting a rebate and a leadership bonus. Only when the word investment is used by the company, do they have any sayso. It is important to recognize the difference. It is not profit sharing in the truest sense of the word. It is being paid rebates based on the profit that the company makes. The rebates are based on on 50% profits, but they are still rebates.
Its because of stupid schemes like this that real PPC marketers are losing money. This is not remotely PPC you idiot. The definition of PPC is pay per click, where you are the adversiter paying for clicks to your site. And people like you are screwing advertisers up. Think about it - if the people who are paying the company for the 'visitors' realize one day that the traffic is all coming from people like YOU who only care to click it because they are getting paid, will they even bother to advertise anymore? Once all of them stops advertising with said company, what happens to your revenue then hur, smartass?
You are kind of correct in calling him an idiot, he should have used "Paid To Click - PTC" and not "Paid per Click - PPC" - again this just shows that Frebe is a noob pushing Big Guys schemes ....
This is a scam or will end up being a scam. 125% Come on you really think a company can stay in business when they have to come out of pocket to pay people? Not to mention that people who are doing this could care less about the sites they are visiting they just want to earn money. How do you earn more money? You visit more sites! So this just translates to someone clicking on the site staying for 10 seconds or the required amount of time then leaving the site. That's dead traffic to a webmaster their not making us anyone money so what's the point of advertising on sites like that? Eventually the ad shares will drop off from mad advertisers who had horrible conversions and when that happens the company won't payout the users. Then boom even if they didn't intend it to be a scam it turned into one anyways. No to mention that all your posts look like someone who is spamming and the only guy so far to back you up is a guy that joined 4 days ago and his only posts are in this thread. It all seems fishy to me, but what would I know I've never made free money for doing nothing. P.S. anyone who believes this pm me I'm running the same kind of things on my sites all you have to do is click on all my ads using proxies every day and I swear I will pay you 125% of what I get paid!
Your signup date is today and all you're doing is spamming Post 1 - http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=8304469&postcount=1 Spam Post 2 - http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=8304715&postcount=13 Spam Post 3 - http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=8304628&postcount=7 Spam Not to mention you're bumping this spam thread. You're breaking the rules by spamming and you're also breaking the rules by using referral links.