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  1. Not bad

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  2. Needs improvement

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  1. #1
    Hi,

    Please review this social media app site. Demo account(s) also available.
    SEMrush
    Link: https://truconnexionm.iijobz.com

    Regards,
     
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  2. sarahk

    sarahk iTamer Staff

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    #2
    You need to sell it better on your homepage
     

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  3. Dravitoz

    Dravitoz Peon

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    #3
    Hi sarahk,

    Thank you so much. My fear is not to overcrowd the home page :( Can't think of anything catchy to include and at which part of the homepage to do that...
     
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    Hi sarahk,

    Just made a few alterations to the homepage. Please let me know. Just hit Ctrl+F5 to refresh, page might be cached by your browser if you do not pick up any changes.
     
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  5. sarahk

    sarahk iTamer Staff

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    #5
    upload_2019-7-11_13-26-37.png

    I'm missing something... on any given day I might be "connecting with friends" on facebook, twitter, reddit (ugh), linked in, telegram, messenger, WhatsApp, slack, and hangouts (although that's rumoured to be on the way out). I have inactive accounts at myspace, tumblr, kialo, countersocial, and any number of other has-beens.

    When I visit your site there's nothing telling me why I should be signing up and encouraging my friends to move from those other platforms to your one.
    How is yours better?
    Does it use less mobile data?
    Fewer ads?
    Better spam detection?
    Better moderation for groups?

    What am I not understanding?
     
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  6. Dravitoz

    Dravitoz Peon

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    #6
    Now I get you. Thank you so much. Be right back :)

    P.S.: I think Google should just stick to search (and/or research), they are undisputed champions.
     
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    deathshadow Acclaimed Member

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    #7
    Absolutely nothing on the page to tell me why I should give a flying purple fish, much less even consider signing up for anything. As such I'd not even get close to actually testing your app.

    But what I do see is NOT encouraging. Broken header, broken attempt at a min-height layout, broken/incomplete form, broken navigation... You'd almost think it had DIV and classes doing H1's job, static style in the markup where it has ZERO business even being, JavaScript doing things that are NONE of JavaScript's huffing business, the mentally enfeebled train wreck of how NOT to use JavaScript that is jQueery, endless pointless separate scripts for Christmas only knows what, no FIELDSET, no LABEL, endless pointless separate stylesheets for NOTHING, and an overall reek of having been built by people who -- to be brutally frank -- are not qualified to write a single line of HTML.

    Hence garbage broken HTML like (after pretty print):
    
            <div class="login-box" style="border: 1px solid lightgray; border-radius: 3px;">
                <div class="login-logo" style="color: lightgray;">
                    <h5 style="font-family: Raleway; font-weight: bold;">Connect with friends and share content online</h5></div>
                <div class="login-box-body">
                    <div id="login-verified" style="display: block; text-align: center;"></div>
                    <p class="login-box-msg"><i class="glyphicon glyphicon-lock"></i> Sign in</p>
                    <form id="fmlogin">
                        <div class="form-group has-feedback">
                            <input onchange="if (!window.__cfRLUnblockHandlers) return false; if ($(this).val !== null) { $(this).removeAttr('style'); }" type="text" maxlength="75" class="form-control" placeholder="Email" id="email" name="email" required autocomplete="off" autofocus data-cf-modified-b49c4c94bf23019e4390e862-="" />
                        </div>
                        <div class="form-group has-feedback">
                            <input onchange="if (!window.__cfRLUnblockHandlers) return false; if ($(this).val !== null) { $(this).removeAttr('style'); }" type="password" maxlength="30" class="form-control" id="password" name="password" required autocomplete="off" data-cf-modified-b49c4c94bf23019e4390e862-="" /> <span class="glyphicon glyphicon-lock form-control-feedback"></span></div>
                        <div class="row">
                            <div class="col-xs-8">
                                <div style="padding-bottom: 0.5em;"> <a title="Recover password" href="security/recovery/" style="font-weight: bold;">Forgot password?</a></div>
                            </div>
                            <div class="col-xs-4">
                                <button type="button" id="login-btn" class="btn btn-default btn-block btn-flat">Sign In</button>
                            </div>
                        </div>
                    </form>
                    <hr />
                    <div style="padding-bottom: 0.2em;"> Not registered? <a title="Create new account" href="security/signup/" style="font-weight: bold;">Sign up</a> &bull; <a title="Demo Accounts" href="https://www.iijobz.com/" style="font-weight: bold;">Demo Accounts</a></div>
                </div>
            </div>
    
    Code (markup):
    Doing the JOB of:

    
    <form action="/login" method="post" id="signIn"><!-- for scripting off graceful degradation -->
    	<h2>Connect with friends and share content online</h2>
    	<fieldset>
    		<legend>Sign in</legend>
    		<label for="signIn_email">E-Mail</label><br>
    		<input type="email" name="email" id="signIn_email" required autofocus><br>
    		<label for="signIn_password">Password</label><br>
    		<input type="password" name="password" id="signIn_password" required><br>
    		<a href="security/recovery/">Forgot password?</a><br>
    		<button>Sign Up</button>
    	</fieledset>
    	<p>
    		Not registered? <a href="security/signup/">Sign up</a> or try our <a href="https://www.iijobz.com/">Demo Accounts</a>
    	</p>
    </form>
    
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    Since not a single thing you were doing with style="" has ANY business in your markup unless your intent is to explore 1997's lower intestine via way of the colon. JUST as nonsense like this:

    onchange="if (!window.__cfRLUnblockHandlers) return false; if ($(this).val !== null) { $(this).removeAttr('style'); }"
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    has ZERO business in the markup, NOR is it any of JavaScripts business to handle any time after about seven years ago. Use CSS' "empty", "valid", and "invalid" pseudoclasses to handle that stuff.

    And for the love of Christmas, PLACEHOLDER IS NOT A HUFFING LABEL!!!. It creates "loss of context" one of the many mental huffing failings common to False Simplicity.

    Rudimentary, basic HTML and CSS, that it seems so many JavaScript junkies ignore... or claim it's somehow magically easier to avoid as they go and write two to ten times the code needed to do the job!

    Since as to be frank, if you don't know what's wrong with this:

    
            <header class="main-header"> <a class="logo"><i class="fa fa-user"></i> <span style="color: ghostwhite; font-family: Raleway;">truconnexion<span style="color: orange;">m</span></span></a>
                <nav class="navbar navbar-static-top" role="navigation">
                    <div class="navbar-custom-menu">
                        <ul class="nav navbar-nav" id="navbar-nav">
                            <li class="dropdown messages-menu">
                                <a class="dropdown-toggle" data-toggle="dropdown" title="Social Apps"> <span>Think. Explore. Get Social</span> </a>
                            </li>
                        </ul>
                    </div>
                </nav>
            </header>
    
    Code (markup):
    You might want to back your backside up a bit, and go back to learning HTML and CSS. Here's a tip:

    
    	<h1>
    		<a href="/">truconnexion<span>m</span></a><br>
    		<label for="modal_social">Think. Explore. Get Social</label>
    	</h1>
    
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    was probably all you need. Assuming that "think explore" is actually supposed to open a dropdown or modal, which it does not here. And if that dropdown/modal is static content on every page, you don't even need JS for that either! This is 2019 not 2003.
     
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    #8
    Thank you for the feedback, not sure if I should take this as constructive or destructive, nonetheless...

    Is it jQueery or jQuery, genius? Since you so good and very much a critic - that I can tell, how about HTML19, since you are so updated - genius?

    Thank you for the tip, how should I reimburse you? Cheque, check or...genius? You have time to go through HTML code, that's alright we need geeks like you to make us filthy rich - wise one, genius?

    FYI. Be circumspect and constructive in the near future and not bury people. You will end up being an undertaker. That I am afraid might not be good for you I suppose, genius? You will dig too deep you won't be able to get out, genius?
     
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    #9
    Don't be too defensive @Dravitoz, he makes good points. You may choose to ignore them but right now you need the feedback and this is a review thread.

    As for jquery getting itself a nickname... it's the American way to belittle things with derogatory names. Can take a little getting used to for the rest of us.
     
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    #10
    YOU ASKED for FEEDBACK. You did NOT ask for someone to stroke your EGO.

    Feedback ALWAYS includes BOTH positive and negative. Further, feedback on the SAME POINT may be POSITIVE from one reviewer yet NEGATIVE from another.

    IF YOU CANNOT HANDLE THE NEGATIVE, DON'T ASK FOR FEEDBACK!
     
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    #11
    The HTML geek guru gave some valid points but not too sure about the notebook response.

    Just review the site, that's all and leave the storytelling to baby Bambinos bed time.

    Just keep it simple and provide feedback, that's all we want and not the rabbit style geek response.
     
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    #12
    I'm just sitting here laughing at his own broken Engrish whilst getting his panties in a wad about a simple typo on a word that isn't even really a word to begin with. *OH NOES, GOEZ CWY TWO MUMMY!!! There's an extra two e's!!!*

    @Dravitoz -- what do you mean by "notebook response"? Is that more "aah, wall of text" rubbish over a post that 20 years ago length-wise nobody would have batted an eyelash at, considering it to be short? I weep for the "quality" of literacy right now. You give them more than 144 characters, they don't even know what to do with it; as if their cup doth runneth over.

    I have a low tolerance for TLDR half-tweets who freak out over anything more than two sentences long.
     
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    sarahk iTamer Staff

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    #13
    I just used one of your demo accounts - the colour choices make the posts really hard to read.

    [​IMG]
    I reckon the business part of the menu should be under the social part of the menu
    upload_2019-7-14_14-15-1.png

    Why are these so wide?

    upload_2019-7-14_14-15-48.png
    It looks great on a phone but you should have different css settings for desktop
    upload_2019-7-14_14-16-37.png

    I tried to get a permalink to one of the posts but the site isn't set up to allow that - because who wants to share links from a social site, right?

    Anyway, all the images are so large that very often you only get one post per screen and then you have to scroll again. Because the images are enlarged the image quality is noticeably low.
    upload_2019-7-14_14-18-37.png
     
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    #14
    You mean as in failing to meet WCAG minimums? Again one of the most rudimentary parts of building a UI? The one we have tools to make easier to understand?

    https://webaim.org/resources/contrastchecker/

    Just as how the use of px metrics for fonts, padding, widths, and queries -- much less a uselessly tiny 12px -- is a middle finger to usability and accessibility norms, probably done out of ignorance because so many people NOT qualified to tell others how to build websites keep using px despite two decades of being told to cut it out!

    Which merges SO well with the broken queries and broken appearance when zoomed.

    [​IMG]
    I reckon the business part of the menu should be under the social part of the menu
    View attachment 243740

    Next to zero CSS for changing it to be more useful for desktop. A common affliction when pages are built "mobile first" which no matter how many people will claim otherwise, is utterly back-assward for reasons I've discussed in the past.

    But he's clearly not looking for advice, much less criticism. He's looking for a pat on the back and a "job well done'. Another person who's been outright scammed by garbage like bootstrap and jQuery, but is unwilling or unable to see it. Probably using something equally scammy on the back-end like React or Vue. Ten times the code for twenty times the effort, whilst pissing on usability and accessibility from orbit, but somehow magically all these dumbass scams are "easier".

    You know what's easier? Using 24k of markup instead of 244k. Using 48k of CSS in one file instead of 733k in 21 files. Not having two thirds of the 2.84 megabytes of wasteful scripting doing HTML and CSS' jobs within the limits I just set of 24k/48k.

    But no, that might involve actually learning to use HTML and CSS properly.... because properly:

    
    <body data-spy="scroll" data-target=".navbar" data-offset="20" class="hold-transition skin-blue sidebar-mini">
        <div class="wrapper">
            <header class="main-header"> <a class="logo"><i class="fa fa-user"></i> <span style="color: ghostwhite; font-family: Raleway;">truconnexion<span style="color: orange;">m</span></span></a>
                <nav class="navbar navbar-static-top" role="navigation">
                    <a class="sidebar-toggle" data-toggle="push-menu" role="button" id="toggle"> <span class="sr-only">Toggle navigation</span> </a>
                    <div class="navbar-custom-menu">
                        <ul class="nav navbar-nav" id="navbar-nav">
                            <li class="dropdown messages-menu">
                                <a style="cursor: pointer;" onclick="if (!window.__cfRLUnblockHandlers) return false; timeline(false);" class="dropdown-toggle" data-toggle="dropdown" title="Home" data-cf-modified-84abd772c615ccd9a7dd23a5-=""> <i class="fa fa-home"></i> <span class="label label-default" id="dropdownmenu-timeline-notifications"></span> </a>
                            </li>
                            <li class="dropdown messages-menu">
                                <a style="cursor: pointer;" onclick="if (!window.__cfRLUnblockHandlers) return false; network(false);" class="dropdown-toggle" data-toggle="dropdown" title="Connections" data-cf-modified-84abd772c615ccd9a7dd23a5-=""> <i class="fa fa-users"></i> <span class="label label-default" id="dropdownmenu-connections-count"></span> </a>
                            </li>
                            <li class="dropdown messages-menu">
                                <a style="cursor: pointer;" onclick="if (!window.__cfRLUnblockHandlers) return false; messages(false);" class="dropdown-toggle" data-toggle="dropdown" title="Messages" data-cf-modified-84abd772c615ccd9a7dd23a5-=""> <i class="fa fa-envelope"></i> <span class="label label-default" id="dropdownmenu-messages-notifications"></span> </a>
                            </li>
                            <li class="dropdown messages-menu" style="display: none;" id="dropdownmenu-messages-menu-notifications">
                                <a style="cursor: pointer;" onclick="if (!window.__cfRLUnblockHandlers) return false; notifications();" class="dropdown-toggle" data-toggle="dropdown" title="Notifications" data-cf-modified-84abd772c615ccd9a7dd23a5-=""> <i class="fa fa-bell-o"></i> <span class="label label-default" id="dropdownmenu-alerts-notifications"></span> </a>
                            </li>
                            <li class="dropdown user user-menu">
                                <a style="cursor: pointer;" class="dropdown-toggle" data-toggle="dropdown"> <img id="dropdownmenu-img-profiledetails" src="../images/loading_default.gif" width="128" height="128" class="user-image" /> <span id="dropdownmenu-img-profilename" class="hidden-xs"></span> </a>
                                <ul class="dropdown-menu">
                                    <li class="user-header"> <img id="dropdownmenu-user-header-img" src="../images/loading_default.gif" width="128" height="128" class="img-circle" />
                                        <p id="user-header-summary"></p>
                                    </li>
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    That is not. Hell, the style="cursor: pointer" on <a>nchors alone should be enough to send anyone with the most basic knowledge of HTML/CSS into a fit of hysterical laughter... and that's before we talk about the IMG that have no business in the markup and painfully slowing down the first load.
     
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    Oh, and not to make it sound all bad. I do like the hide/show of the side menu and connections areas -- the sidebar in particular as you're just hiding/showing the text, which avoids the initial visitor's woe of "ambiguous UI".

    It's that you're wasting JavaScript on it that I take issue with. Not even JS' job if you aren't supporting IE8/earlier... which by using bootstrap you're not even supporting IE9 anymore. (part of bootstrap's LIE about helping cross-browser)
     
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    Hi @sarahk. Thank you for the valuable feedback, we will sit around the desk and look at the desktop css - valid points. I guess the idea from the guys was "responsive" approach. There is a lot of sensitivity around how we share content on the site but please note @sarahk that this is in Beta stage, valuable feedback is all we need. The launch of the application is on the 25 November 2019. We have already 19 users signed up since we went live with the beta 3 weeks ago. The reviews are great especially from mobile users - fantastic, we will look into desktop. Please clear browser cache from time to time to see some of the changes to the UI.

    One thing I noted from the geek rabbit response were the links to the UI material, great stuff. If he, which I believe is a he could learn to do what is asked, review site and not perve HTML, he will be alright.

    Thanks @sarahk.
     
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    sarahk iTamer Staff

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    #17
    How many of you are working on this project?
    What's your role?
    I think we all made the mistake of thinking were a programmer but if you aren't clear on the basics of responsive design then I guess you must have a different role
    you posted in the website reviews section. You don't get to set the terms. We all have different strengths and we will review based on our expertise - for free. I don't always agree with @deathshadow but it is foolish to not read his posts, find out more/research, and make your own decisions. Reacting like a petulant brat does little to encourage further assistance.
     
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    #18
    Hi @sarahk, firstly apologies to @deathshadow I got a violation warning. I will behave but I personally think he will fit right well with sites like CodeProject, Stackoverflow, Codeplex if not already subscribed.

    Back to role, I am currently the project manager, funder and has founded the application to be launched as the first in South Africa come November. There is a lot of interest regarding the business--related items it provides which are already in use and shared by registered business connections which is great to see. There are 3 developers currently working on it and gradually improving the application as we receive feedback.

    Basically I am funding and owning the project and being a Dev myself over the years, it's much easier to oversee and also provide input where I can.

    If I wanted feedback regarding HTML and Cascading Stylesheets I would have mentioned that to make life easier for @deathshadow and sadly there is no time for that as we are pressed to deliver a social media application by November. HTML redesign and what works best for us and our users and also retro will come into play. It's work in progress that's why it is in beta and it will improve. Never assume in life that we all know things, just provide feedback to the best of your ability and be constructive as best as you can and in the right manner. That's all we are looking for and why we come to such sites. We are not all geniuses, please respect that...know where to draw the line.

    @deathshadow could have killed an aspiring Dev with his comments and feedback, not entirely great that's why I reacted in that manner. Don't do that...just do what is asked, "Please review social media application..." Leave the rest to the Dev team, that's why we hire them.
     
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    #19
    @Dravitoz this is a web development forum, as such when you ask for a review one should expect a review of the entire development process. That means accessibility, usability, and the full development stack.

    You have SEVERE issues in accessibility, usability, functionality, marketing, SEO, and dozens of other things -- and much of that can be tracked to the underlying code. I have trouble with non-mouse navigation? That's the code's fault for not using numbered headings properly. I have trouble with a lack of the layout being elastic? That's the codes fault for being built with PX. The page is painfully slow to watch load? That's the codes fault for constantly repeating itself, being bloated, coding techniques that use multiple images to do the job of one, overly complex code, and a host of other failings.

    My reply was therein coached in the language of not just what's wrong, but WHY it is wrong.

    To be frank, like many, MANY before you, I suspect you've been scammed by your "Dev team" since it's painfully obvious that they don't know enough about HTML or CSS to be building a site for you. That's the painful truth. Whatever it is they've done to told you to claim otherwise means effectively nothing in the face of what they've built for you.

    I spoke to you in the language of a developer, as that's generally going to be the assumption you'll get on a web development forum.

    Meanwhilst if my comments had "killed an aspiring DEV", if they're producing that quality of work, that might be for the better. Again, it is my opinion that your "dev team" has saddled you up and taken you for a ride. What they have done is not something I would allow any client of mine to deploy, as it is going to cost you more to host, more to maintain, and has probably taken -- at least from what I'm seeing -- longer to develop than it should have. More importantly those "nerdy coding issues" and "pervy HTML" things you reacted so poorly too are the root causes of what could tell large swaths of potential users to go plow themselves.

    Making it cost more to host, harder to maintain, and alienating users is NOT a great business plan. I told you what's wrong and how ineptly put together the coding level is, because of how it impacts if not outright creates problems the likes of which @sarahk mentioned. Her post tells you what, my post tells you what and WHY. In other words, if you didn't understand it or thought it didn't matter, run it past your dev team. If your dev team thinks it "doesn't matter" they're no developers, not by a long shot. They're scam artists relying on your not knowing this stuff, whilst coasting along on as little effort or knowledge as they can. Put the saddle on you and took you for a ride. Basic fundemental screwups in front end design, front-end coding, and accessibility norms are present, calling into question the skill, knowledge, and possibly even intelligence of your "team".

    To be frank, your "Dev team" seems about as qualified to write a website or application for 2019 as a grade-schooler teleported to today from 1998. AGAIN, the code proves that to anyone with the most basic knowledge of HTML, CSS, and JavaScript. That they've gotten as far as they have seems be more blind luck and perseverance than knowledge, effort, or skill. If they all agree that this is good work, I'd suggest firing the lot.

    ... as again, whoever wrote code like this:

    <div class="wrapper">
        <header class="main-header"> <a class="logo"><i class="fa fa-user"></i> <span style="color: ghostwhite; font-family: Raleway;">truconnexion<span style="color: orange;">m</span></span></a>
            <nav class="navbar navbar-static-top" role="navigation">
                <div class="navbar-custom-menu">
                    <ul class="nav navbar-nav" id="navbar-nav">
                        <li class="dropdown messages-menu">
                            <a class="dropdown-toggle" data-toggle="dropdown" title="Social Apps"> <span>Think. Explore. Get Social</span> </a>
                        </li>
    Code (markup):
    Claiming to be even remotely qualified to write HTML for pay? I'd send them back to flipping burgers for a living. There is THAT MUCH wrong with it. Out of the gate that tiny snippet alone is telling large swaths of users to sod off, AND costing you more to host if the same techniques are vomited up across the entire page.

    Which is why I bring it up. Fine, YOU don't understand the code... well, news flash. Your "team" is using that ignorance and utter lack of care on the topic to exploit you.
     
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    Thank you @deathshadow and this is a much better response compared to the first response. To let you know that I have forwarded the links you provided as a guide to the Dev team. Unfortunately these blokes are contractually employed and have to deliver.

    I understand what you are saying and I respect that but at times you need to ride out the risks. I took it upon myself to submit the review and protect the Devs by only forwarding any resourceful links I receive in the review forum. I know how hostile these forums can be as being a Dev myself for so many years. Dev turned Entrepreneur.

    Expect to see more improvements over the next few weeks, Rome was never built in a single day - progress has to be made with what you have. Risk vs. Reward. Remember to clear browser cache to see changes.

    Be right back. PS: We have submitted the application to DaniWeb, also great feedback like @sarahk Great to see...we need valuable, constructive feedback to progress - milestones.
     
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    Dravitoz, Jul 14, 2019 IP