phpBB VS SMF VS MyBB

Discussion in 'vBulletin' started by Tarkan, Oct 17, 2008.

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  1. RectangleMan

    RectangleMan Notable Member

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    #201
    Never stated that. It sucks to argue with someone that doesn't read a thread and confuses statements others make with ones I make. I can't take it anymore. Once I realized who I was arguing with it was a "slap face" moment for me. It's a waste of my personal time.

    I hold no ill-will about this. You have been a gentleman and it was a good heated discussion. I don't claim victory nor defeat. I think the thread is here to allow others deciding to judge. It's best we created a great thread where I believe anyone interested would from both our posts want to explore the softwares more. That's the goal I believe. I want Mybb to be considered one of the top-tier forum software choices. It's not for everyone but it deserves to be respected as SMF and phpbb are. Two years ago Mybb was more of a fringe player. I don't believe that's true anymore. The free forum software genre is now very competitive and the real winners are admins that have worthy choices.

    Thanks for the conversation. I am just going to find other threads to be involved with. I am sure this isn't the end of SMF vs Mybb but for me it's the end of this thread.

    Thank you.
     
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  2. MrSandMan

    MrSandMan Well-Known Member

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    #202
    Great post. I'm glad you took time out of your day to touch on this. It's good for folks to see the facts. It appears some MyBB people are throwing in the towel since you posted this.

    I guess they wanted to defend MyBB's lagging security and lagging features so much that they were willing to lie to the good folks reading this thread. And its sad.

    Glad you pointed out the facts! :)
     
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  3. Ryan Gordon

    Ryan Gordon Peon

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    #203
    That's no where near a comprehensive list of features in MyBB. That list is only a select few of all the features in MyBB.

    That's debatable from both ends of the stick.

    But they're both a good point for the average person that may not know all that much about forums yet, and may just be getting into forums.

    Progress my friend. Us developers work for free. It will come in time.

    Where do we hard code html? I surely haven't seen any hard coded html. All of the html we use in MyBB (except for some small & minute tidbits which are to be taken care of in future versions) are in templates which are completely editable from the ACP.

    We're still a new and growing forum software.

    See, it's all about progress.

    Nope, that's just a setting. You can set it to as many as you want.

    There are several plugins that expand the functionality of the Who's Online and index stats.

    I've had a plugin to do WAP for a long time now. The reason why we currently don't implement something like that is because of the amount of code duplication that would currently be required to implement it.

    I'm glad it's been a feature since the beginning of SMF.

    Wrong. We have eAccelerator, Memcache and XCache as well as file caching or direct db.

    Seems like it would be a useful feature to have. However, you can use the Quick-Quote in MyBB 1.4 to carry over your selected quotes to the full reply page as well as the quick reply box.
     
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  4. lufbra

    lufbra Peon

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    #204
    Thanks again for this post Tarkan.

    May I ask a favour of you, could you possibly report the vulnerabilities to the SMF creators

    It's even more sad to think you have the gall to post such crap when it's been proved time and time again that you're the liar amongst the posters here. Folks may not wish to post here anymore because they're sick of your patheticness!
     
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  5. Aldo

    Aldo Peon

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    #205
    @Ryan Gordon... If MyBB does have so many features why not remove the ones expected out of any forum system and replace them with ones that are not..?

    About the Poll options, then why don't you guys make it easier to find the option? I was searching through the ACP, I looked in the Topics & Post thing, the Configuration etc. and found it no where.

    And also, you shouldn't need a modification/plugin to expand the statistics page to be able to provide you with information that is useful, it should already be there.
     
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  6. silent_thunder

    silent_thunder Well-Known Member

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    #206
    Phpbb as promised has released the next update!! PHPBB 3.0.3 IS out!!:)

    All PHPBB users update the boards!!

    PHPBB is the best free forum software available and I am a proud owner of forum using PHPBB3.0.2!!

    I always grateful for the phpbb family and I will do my part in making phpbb grow more!!

    Update went smooth no gliches my forum was back in action 30 minutes thats because I have numerous conflicts as I had many hacks.

    No problems with the forum so far!!

    Be careful while merging files if you dont know ask someone!! Else you will ruin the forums!! Because this is a comprehensive update more than 100 files are updated including the database!!

    [​IMG]
    You must see this at the end!! If not back up your files and redo the merging of conflict of files

    PM me if you need any help!!
     
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  7. Aldo

    Aldo Peon

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    #207
    Cool, cool :) I was wondering about phpBB cause I haven't seen to much dev activity, reminds me of UseBB's 1.0.9 "still alive" release. Lol.
     
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  8. Ryan Gordon

    Ryan Gordon Peon

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    #208
    Because you sell by making sure your potential clients know the basics first and foremost. You can't just assume everyone knows what is expected and what isn't.

    It is under the "Posting" settings category. You make a poll when you post your thread. Seems pretty obvious to me.

    And even if that isn't obvious enough for you, you can even use the search bar at the top of the settings configuration page. Type in "poll" and press the Search button and wallah, right there. It can't get easier then that.

    Again, that is debatable. And again, with due time comes progress.
     
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  9. pripatel93

    pripatel93 Peon

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    #209
    I doubt it will take the Dev team at Mybb to implement that anyways....
    You see They do this for FREE... They have Lives... I bet if they took $180 like VB then Mybb would be on top...

    Everything Still goes to the fact that Mybb Is younger than SMF!

    I agree, Alot of people start there first forum at Mybb and they have there last forum with Mybb. the Team there i guess put it things that are Needed... if you use Mybb for longer then you learn more about it. Meaning you can probably add your own features.

    If The forum software had everything... then the people how started there own forum wouldnt be different to another becuase they would all have everything.
     
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  10. damsprivate

    damsprivate Peon

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    #210
    phpbb its very can be very custume made. very very

    cek it on sembrono.com/community
     
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  11. gemini181

    gemini181 Well-Known Member

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    #211
    1) Last time I checked SMF was still painfully ugly. :p
    2) Actually attempt to use MyBB. Chances are strong you will be so thrilled, that you would never consider any other forum.
     
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  12. Aldo

    Aldo Peon

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    #212
    @Ryan Gordon, People who use SMF never ask about those features... Today like I said, all those features listed on that page are expected, and really you waste peoples time reading them... People already expect such features as Who's Online, Stats page, etc.

    @pripatel93, Your point exactly..? SMF does this for free, they get no money for what they do, they are all volunteers. And what? You think vB is on top? More like on top of Bloat Mountain. Thats funny :) and of course, debatable

    @gemini181,
    1) With SMF's powerful theme engine, it doesn't matter. Its called a theme, SMF has 766 and growing by the day, compared to MyBB's like 60? 50? When someone bashes a default theme, it shows how low you have to go to try and attempt to make a irrelevant point. At least with SMF when you make a theme it doesn't come out looking like the MyBB default theme still.
    2) I have, why don't you try SMF? That way you won't have to update every 2-3 weeks because of a lot of security flaws. Move to SMF and that will rarely happen, and when it does, you just go to the package manager, and upgrade, no FTP access needed or ANYTHING
     
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  13. Ryan Gordon

    Ryan Gordon Peon

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    #213
    Well then I'm glad no one at SMF never asks about those features.

    People who run MyBB forums won't have to update every 2-3 weeks because of a lot of security flaws. In fact the only time we had "a lot" of security flaws was with our Professional Security Audit. Obviously, if it's never been done before, more then the usual amount of security problems will be found and fixed.

    I'm curious as to whether SMF has had a professional security audit before?
     
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    gsv13 Well-Known Member

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    #214
    Decide out of smf or mybb.
    Phpbb plainly sucks IMO.
     
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  15. pripatel93

    pripatel93 Peon

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    #215
    well, Im trying to say taht Vb is the most Popular, I.E it has alot of people using it... when there are free ones available just as good.

    And no not SMF... Cause
    1) its Ugly (whoever says, yea but you can customise it are stupid. you have to customise most of it too look decent. wasting your time. whereas Mybb you have a decent Default theme which wont take long to get up to your standards.

    2) Features.... whoever made a point in this thread that Mybb had less features than SMF is pretty silly too. They have only got one end of the stick... there is still alot to offer from Mybb. and things that they dont have that you need. it will most probably be a plugin.

    3) security.... yes SMF has excellant security better than Mybb or w/e but that doesnt mean Mybb is unsafe.. it is still very hard to hack it... saying that it has more security is right but saying that Mybb is unsafe is wrong....
     
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  16. gemini181

    gemini181 Well-Known Member

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    #216
    1) I used a :p, so I'm not going to answer your statement about "...how low you have to go..." :p :p

    2) I respect the fact you really like SMF, that's great.

    ....

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    ..

    .

    The very first day I ever tried MyBB it was:
    • Extremely intuitive and user-friendly compared to almost all other open-source scripts.
    • I'm hooked and will probably never switch.
     
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  17. Aldo

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    #217
    I also respect the fact you like MyBB... but the thing is with you intuitive argument, what is intuitive to you might not be intuitive to the next, such as me.

    I am also hooked on SMF, and will never switch... I really see little to no point in this topic, it won't get anyone anywhere, lol. Everyone is entitled to what they think, what they like, and for those who stand for what they like and what they believe in (such as me, and you ;)) we won't get anywhere but to argue
     
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    #218
    I'm lost as to why folks are supposed to expect such features. Surely if someone is out to look for a forum software for their first time, how are they to "expect" forums to have such features? I mean, you yourself are obviously aware of such features, but not everyone is.

    I really don't see how a long list of features can be too much for anyone to read, almost ANY "company" is going to show as many features as possible, in order to sell their product. I don't understand why SMF wouldn't do this for potential new users.
     
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    #219
    why can make u say that ?
     
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    #220
    Ok I'm going to have to clarify everything, and END this thread. Unless you can respond to every single one of my points, stop responding because you already lost this argument.

    1) I am unbiased, because I actually started this thread asking EVERYONE SMF users, MyBB users, phpBB users. I tried phpbb I didn't like it the module system is simply dumb. I tried SMF and I didn't like it. I tried MyBB and I liked it.

    NOW BEAR IN MIND,
    - I have been using vBulletin AND IPB all my life, and I wanted a free one this time, so I wouldn't have to pay.
    - I am also an expert in PHP and Security.
    2) MyBB has all the features that SMF has, and vice-versa, it's possible that there are some minor features like "searching pm" (what a useless piece of code imo) that SMF may have, but that's because SMF is older.
    3) MyBB is young and it has as much features as SMF, hence it is just as good, if not better. But no one can argue that it's worse.
    4) We've proven, that there are security flaws in SMF 1.1.7 and SMF 1.1.6, and they work. I've tested the insecurity on 1.1.7, and yes I've been able to take down my own live SMF forum. And because of the way that MrSandMan has insulted me, I'm not reporting the vulnerability, I might tell others about how I coded it, maybe release it to a public forum.
    So you cannot argue that SMF is safer, it is clearly not, because such vulnerabilities DO NOT exist currently in MyBB.
    5) SMF having a larger community, longer age, or more modules/themes is an invalid argument, it's a logical fallacy, because as time goes on, MyBB will become more and more popular; it's also possible because of recent security problems with SMF, that SMF may become the smaller community soon, I might be willing to help MyBB with that mission.
    6) You can state your preference, you can say, "well I think SMF has this really cool feature, and I like the software", but you have got to stop putting down MyBB, because then you're being a jerk and you're obviously going to lose that argument terribly.
    7) I can tell you without a doubt as a conclusion for this thread: MyBB is the best FREE forum, and will become even better with time.
    I can also tell you that vB and IPB are great, and MyBB is just as good as them, with all the important features that a forum needs.

    Now stop responding because you're finished... my arguments are solid, and you've lost countless arguments here already, give up.
     
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