phpBB VS SMF VS MyBB

I sent Tarkan a PM a few hours ago to ask what way he thinks he could gain access to the system.

His reply was that my forums are SMF 1.1.6. The only SMF that I have that uses 1.1.6 is the forum that I am thinking about deleting off the database anyhow - its a support forum that isn't needed.

and to rebut on this:

Inside SMF admin control panel, you can backup the database effortlessly.

 

I've yet to use a forums software program that doesn't allow effortless database backups.

 

Your SMF 1.1.7 is also vulnerable. But glad you back your DB up.

 

*IF* this is true and you know how to access 1.1.7 SMF like you claim, then please send it to me via PM so I can advise the SMF team. Because apparently you know something the SMF team doesn't know.

I've asked you two or three times via PM but you continue to avoid from explaining your method. Your only reply thus far is: "It's also possible they [SMF] didn't fix it in 1.1.7".

I'd be willing to wager people say stuff like this all the time about all software for extra attention.

 

The team tested the attacks from SMF1.1.6 and could not do it on SMF1.1.7. So SMF1.1.7 is not vulnerable. Stop making stuff up. V_V

 

Careful, he knows all these mysterious methods on how to access your SMF 2.0

Backup often, cause this dude knows all the hidden secrets.

 

Uh huh, then why don't you try..?

 

Excuse me for laughing out loud after reading the past few posts, and this one wins first prize after all that he's been saying in all the pages here.... MrSandMan, step up to the plate....

Hmmmmm. this post thread is 187 posts long, and to be generous I'd say up until 175 posts ago, you were bragging about how your beloved SMF was secure and hacker safe.....I guess it would be asking too much for you to humbly admit that you may have been mislead?

I can just imagine the PM's going between MrSandMan and Tarkan, I'm imagining MrSandMan asking Tarkan to check out all the other forums software again and again, just to see if he can't find something that could be hacked into! Not that it'd be a big deal, cos we'd never try telling others that any forum software is secure/hacker safe!!

Kudo's to you, Tarkan, not only have you "hopefully" shut someone up here, but you may have also helped save a forum software from being corrupt.

 

Because he's lying. I could just as easily say that I could hack and destroy every MyBB on the entire net.

When this dude is called out, he then back-pedals and changes his stance that "possible" that there is a security risk. Isn't it possible that the United States Government might "possibly" have a security risk in their system?

Dude, you're cracking me up! You're reaching and sounding desperate while doing so. haha

So, is there any more 'hypothetical' information that you would like to add?

Ut-Oh. SMF users better lay low for awhile.... these MyBB hackers are gonna throw the hack-down on all of us while we sleep at night.

 

I admit I have not. I have never even posted on one.

I have yet to find one that was interesting, looked good to me, or had good content.

phpbb has "View your posts" which I thought was helpful and at first I missed it..

Mybb has "View New Posts" which works perfectly. I get a nice list of all the new posts since I last visited. Isn't that better than a list of topics only you have posted in? It's more complete. And you can easily add a link to pull up the results you mentioned. I am sure I could create an effective plugin to do it within 20 minutes.


The Star Ratings can be shut off...even on a per forum basis.

Mybb doesn't come with a personal pad.

The popup buddy list is something not used very often and I admit it could probably be removed on most forums. Same goes with the Calendar imho. It's amazing but it's just as amazingly useless. I am not a mybb developer nor am I it's only user so I have to work with what's there. Lucky for me it's extensible and I can add and subtract as I need. I have yet to run into something I needed for mybb that I could write as a plugin or soemthing I couldn't remove via admincp that I didn't want.

Can you say that about SMF?

And before you go ape about my inexperience with SMF keep in mind I never claimed to be an expert on SMF. I have only toyed with it and viewed it's code. Never liked what I saw enough to take it beyond that. Seriously...I never even been a member (that I know of) at an SMF forum. It's hideous.

I am here as a pro-mybb person. I don't tell lies as some here have.

 

Wow... How biased. You have never been a forum member on a SMF forum yet you think we will now listen to anything you say about SMF..?

And what lies..? Everything you have said so far is a lie if you haven't even tried using a SMF forum in production. I have been a member on MyBB forums on some production sites, its fine, I don't care for the feel, but I have also installed MyBB just for me to try out, and I don't like it at all, but you know what? At least I give real forums a try...

So why don't you go register on a SMF forum that has more then just you as a user, and see how it works

And what exactly are you saying with these "plugin" things, you can upload, install, uninstall, etc. modifications from the Package Manager in SMF.

 

SMF for me, I use it on my forums and I love it, plenty of plug ins, some really cool looking themes (free and paid) Look up Dzines Themes for SMF.

 

The lies are evident in this thread if you read from page one. There are certain members in this thread that have made stuff up about their experience. I have not. As a matter of fact I have no problem being forthright about what I know...and what I don't know.

No but I expect you to listen when I tell you about Mybb. Maybe you just aren't reading my posts with proper context. It's time you read this thread from post one but let's review...

My first statement about SMF:

Do I pretend at any point to be an SMF pro?

Here more of my statements in this thread:

And here is more speaking on security:

And on and on...

Yeah...I am VERY biased as you can see.

Here I show some of my SMF naiveté a couple pages back.

Oh boy...

Yeah..I am a psycho biased fanboy ehh. Biased indeed.

I am biased toward a software that through my EXTENSIVE research has proven mybb to be more feature rich and extensive than anything else that's available in the open source community for forum software.

Prove to me otherwise. I have certainly shown the features list and extensibility of mybb is well beyond other software. You can only argue that SMF is more secure (not secure though) and that it has better support. Neither of which is a concern for me as I am capable of securing and backing up my own forums as well as almost no need for support. SMF= Simply More Fail

Enjoy.

 

No MrSandMan, I told you, your forums were vulnerable. They still are.

I didn't lie at all, only an ass-hole would say something like that to someone who found a vulnerability in your forums. I don't know how you reached that conclusion...

It's funny how you accuse others of lying, being biased, making fun of others for not using your beloved SMF-- I guess people do that when they lose an argument over and over and then get called on their lack of security and poor choice in forum software.

 

LOL ok we said feel free to hack any SMF1.1.7 forum. As your saying its vulnerable. (some people still not know how forums work I guess, i would of made the same comment 2 years ago)

Which is why I know dozens of people who tried both myBB and SMF and went with SMF. And thats also why SMF is 10x the size of myBB. I would not call that failure -- its called success.

I already made numerous posts about this how about you read them. MyBB clearly does not have as many features as SMF. SMF has a lot more necessary features too.

Extensive research? LOL How can you even say myBB has more features if you havent even tried it. <Sighs> Typical comments from fanboys. I have a more accurate viewpoint because I used both softwares on a live site. Found SMF to be more feature rich and faster in terms of speed.

OH yeah and a few necessary features so you ask (mostly of what I'm repeating from before)
- PM Rules
- PM Display modes
- WYSIWYG Editor (I dont care if you dont like it - many newbies do and its off by default)
- Trashbin forum
- Automatic wireless mode
- Paid Subscriptions
- Ingnore Boards Options
- Much better tracking of posts much different from myBB's and phpBB too hard to explain try yourself thats all I can say (You can view unread posts per forum, cat, altogether, ect.)
- More advanced mod center and IP tracking - you can watch users, view duplicate names, ect. all in one click


Please tell me at least one thing myBB has that SMF can't achieve via mod too. Please say. You keep on insisting myBB is more feature rich with no backup. If there was a nessary feature myBB holds that SMF should have I'm sure it would have already been implemented.

 

Oh I have tried it. Looked over it's code extensively and gave it testing on my server. It just sucked and never got past my Quality checking.

Repeating myself won't make you listen but go back a couple pages where I compare the databases and settings. Those directly relate to features.

I saw your forum..it's a joke. It's 70 members and a 1000 posts...some live environment. You guys have these piddly little sites and you think you're forum admins...lol. You're amateurs playing in a mans game. I do this for a living. It's my income. It's not a hobby for me.

All you are pointing out is the few features mybb doesn't overlap with SMF. Most of which are shite. Here read this:
http://www.mybboard.net/features/feature-tour

You can start right there. It should keep you busy all day.

I seriously encourage any and all people undecided to chime in here. Go play with both of them. Download them, install them, and decide.

 

Eh 2 sides now... LOL. You go from never trying it to testing it on your server.

Haha very inaccurate results. You compare SMF_Boards and myBB_board settings. Theres a lot more tables and features than that buddy.

Heh here we go again bringing up my forum which has nothing to do with the discussion. My forum is not meant to be a big forum. If I wanted it to be I would centralize it on something and work spend more time.

And from that feature tour I only found one thing SMF hasn't had. Ajax quick reply. Real impressive.
Just look at my list above too. Glad to see myBB is finally having some features SMF has had for ages.

Agree with you there. But you all so happen to be bashing any SMF user. I'm only defending the software I love.

 

Where do I say I never tested SMF? Your reading comprehension needs to improve.

And I compared tables too...not just settings. Again it seems like your selectively reading this thread.

Of course it matters. You're speaking from a position of an amateur in a professional environment. I have a blog with 10 posts in a year. Do you think my opinion would be anywhere near Shoemoneys? Please. Your experience and success as a forum admin does matter. Do you think people are here for fun? They are here to earn.

You're around the mybb project enough that imho ...you should know better. If you prefer SMF over Mybb..I guess that's possible for some but I don't understand why. Maybe one day I will but it's like understanding why people murder others. It's something maybe I don't want to know.

Hey...if you're happy with what you do that's great. I am not going to burst your party. You enjoy it. Have fun with it.

I am out of this thread. It's sucked me in long-enough.

 

From the above statements it appears you would not setup a SMF forum as "its hideous". I personally think the myBB theme is "hideous" and totally customizable.

Not everyone who has a forum uses it to make money. Sorry sir. Some people use it to moot on specific subjects and communicate with their friends.

Right so through those studies you found that myBB has more features. How about useful and better features?

Sorry if you find this insulting. I personally like debating softwares and obviously you dont want to finish it. In no way was I meant to try and target you but you were the one that began most of this. "SMF is insecure" "SMF has no features" "SMF is not customizable" I'm just here to prove the facts.

 

Lets look at MyBB's feature overview, and SMF's feature overview.

Now as you can see, SMF's list is a lot bigger, and does not contain features that any forum system today should have by default

Here we go

MyBB:
Have an unlimited number of members, forums, posts, threads - and anything else! - Mhmmm, I would certainly hope so, if a forum system doesn't allow that, you shouldn't have a second thought, we all know they allow unlimited members, forums, etc.

SMF:
Oh, interesting, SMF doesn't list that, because we expect it to allow unlimited members, posts, etc.

MyBB:
MySQL Fulltext search capabilities (MySQL 4.1+) - Yeah, once again, we should hope so, they should list how you can search, like being able to search for topics or posts, being able to search in specific forums/boards whatever (which you can)

SMF:
SMF says exactly that:

Interesting, You can search your PM's with SMF? I see you cannot with MyBB

MyBB:
As many copies as you like, one database. - Yeah, mhmm, once again, I would hope so

SMF:
Does not mention it... yet it can. set your DB Prefix differently and there you have it, more then 1 SMF forum on the same database

MyBB:
Completely customizable with our intuitive templates and theme system - ... Uh yeah, hard coding HTML and such and only allowing users to edit the CSS and maybe some images is not what I would call intuitive, therefore, very very limited and means almost all MyBB forums look alike.

SMF:
You can change EVERYTHING or you can change only 1 file, or barely touch anything You do not have to do everything, if the template file for say the Admin CP is not there, it falls back on the default one, you can re arrange everything and make your forum actually unique. In fact SMF's theme system is so powerful, you can change how it all works, like this theme: http://custom.simplemachines.org/themes/index.php?lemma=344, looks like a blog doesn't it? And touches none of the actual sources

MyBB:
Install or create as many different languages on your forum as you please - Wow, the first one not every forum system can do

but
SMF:
Can do it as well

Look at this: MyBB has 16 translations, SMF has some 46 translations

MyBB:
Developed in PHP, compatible with MySQL, PgSQL, and SQLite v2 and v3 database servers

SMF:
While SMF 1.1.x can only do MySQL, SMF 2.0 can use MySQL, PgSQL, and SQLite as well.

MyBB:
Powerful user control panel - Wow! Thanks, don't be too descriptive

SMF:
Since they aren't going overkill on what MyBB's says is Powerful, I can't really say much of anything, though looking at my MyBB and SMF install, they seem to be able to do the same thing

MyBB:
Custom profile fields

SMF:
SMF 1.1.x can't do this alone, it needs a modification, but 2.0 can do it without anything extra

MyBB:
Advanced private messaging system with tracking and multiple folders - You mean advanced as in cannot search your Private Messages? Or things such as Rules?

SMF:
SMF can do all that MyBB can and then some, Labels are "Folders" you can setup rules for your account and choose where what message goes or if it is deleted depending upon the username, body contains, subject contains, sender is a buddy, etc.

Skipped the Rating members thing, its called Karma or whatever you want in SMF

MyBB:
Signatures, avatars, buddy and ignore lists and forum subscriptions - Another one of those expected features in any forum system now days

SMF:
I just said it, SMF of course has these features, its expected out of any decent forum system

Skipped More then 1 attachment, expected... However doesn't seem as though you can limit how many attachments per post on MyBB

Skipped "Automatic thumbnail generation for attached images", I would not say it is expected, but SMF does that too

Skipped all the following, because SMF can do them and once again expected "Clickable smilies and BB Code", "Quick moderation options for moderators", "Email notification of new posts"

MyBB:
Create polls with multiple options and attach them to threads - Yeah, but from the looks, you can only have a maximum of 10 options

SMF:
Can create polls, and have up to 256 options... you can also choose exactly how many options someone can choose on a poll, with MyBB you may only choose whether or not they can choose more then 1...

Skipped Multi-quote - quote multiple posts easily in one reply, you can quote more then once with SMF...

Ugh... I will skip Threaded/Linear, SMF does not have that, but heh, I don't like having the option, I like the regular topic list I will also skip the print thing, SMF can do that, subscribe to threads as SMF does that too. Sending topics to friends skipping, SMF does that too, Quick Reply, yes SMF has it too, Report Posts to moderator skipping, because you better be able too on any forum system today, and of course you can on SMF

There is more, but once again, SMF can do all of that >.> and then some, like forum statistics, MyBB has poor statistics, SMF's has a whole lot more to tell you... From Top Boards, Topic Topics, Most viewed boards and topics, most time online, most online, page views, and daily statistics...

Now lets do a few features SMF has on its list...

SMF:
Multi-media output. (XHTML, XML, RSS, WAP)

MyBB:
Nuh uh... Yes its got RSS XHTML, and such, but there is no WAP/WAP2/IMODE in MyBB

SMF:
Ability to choose sendmail or SMTP (with or without authentication.)

MyBB: From the looks of Whats New, it was just added in MyBB 1.4, which has been in SMF since the beginning

SMF:
Caching, SMF supports the caching engines such as APC, eAccelerator, Turck MMCache, Memcached, etc.

MyBB:
Only file based caching... nothing powerful like SMF has.

SMF:
Easily Insert Posts, you can be on the reply page, scroll down to previous replies, hit Insert Quote, and there you have it, its inserted into your post

MyBB:
Nope...

Now SMF also has great new/old post/topic/board handling, you can also see new replies to YOUR posts, new replies overall (not just for your current session, but since you registered), etc.

Oh yeah, and MyBB does not have more features then SMF. Take a look at the list of features, SMF does not include features you would expect to find in a forum system, but MyBB does include features you would expect, yet still lacking