PayPal in a non-supportive company using Offshore LLC formation. Possible???

Discussion in 'Legal Issues' started by Lemley, Apr 15, 2008.

  1. #1
    Hello,

    Is it possible (and legal) to open a PayPal account in a country which is not PayPal supported (like Pakistan) by registering an offshore firm in United States using any of the URLs below. If yes, how to provide them with the documents incase the account got limited? And is anyone using this in Pakistan or any other country? If yes, please contact me at Pyne.Steve@Yahoo.com, as I have couple of questions.

    http://www.formationshouse.com/
    http://www.thedelawarecompany.com/
    http://delreg.com/


    Any help will be highly appreciated.

    Thank you very very much in advance.
     
    Lemley, Apr 15, 2008 IP
  2. eddy2099

    eddy2099 Peon

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    Technically speaking, it would not change anything by registering a company in the US because your physical domicile would still be in Pakistan. Your IP address would still show up as from Pakistan. Surefire way of getting your account limited.

    Even if you sign up for a Business Paypal account, Paypal is still going to deal with a representative of the company and you still need to provide for a Business Bank account and if needed, submit a US-bank issued Credit Card to raise your limits and also US documentations such as driver's license, utility bills and all that.

    Do this only if you have a representative stationed in the US who would access the paypal account otherwise it is not worth the trouble. Just use an alternative for your needs.
     
    eddy2099, Apr 15, 2008 IP
  3. Lemley

    Lemley Peon

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    eddy, Thank you very much for your suggestion but don't you think these companies will provide the necessary documents that my company is there and including the business bank account and all that there..

    Going limited with PayPal is not a problem, if I can unlimit my account using the docs, I would have..

    I currently have a Premier account and this is registered on my friend's name and I am accessing it quite comfortably - It does go limited sometimes but he provide the docs for me.. Do you think, the docs these companies would be providing are sufficient to unlimit your account?? Suggestions please..
     
    Lemley, Apr 17, 2008 IP
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    I've a registered corporation in the US and although I tried to get a US bank account years ago, it was nearly impossible without stepping foot into the US. There is just too many things involved.

    Like I say with Paypal, although you can be registered as a business, you cannot stand behind the veil of incorporation for all the documents, you need to provide the representative details like driver's license and so on when prompted for. Those I doubt the incorporators would be willing to provide and act on your behalf and assume the risk.
     
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  5. Lemley

    Lemley Peon

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    Eddy, thank you for you reply..

    Yes, no one will provide you these docs like driving license, SSN or something like that but will this (personal info) be needed in a business account? Anyways, do anyone have a list of documents PayPal can ask to provide in limited status for business and premier accounts?
     
    Lemley, Apr 18, 2008 IP
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    Many people use proxies to solve the IP problem. and you can use any guy's account if he gives you the info. Some one sure can.
    I'm from pakistan too but i have a fully verified moneybookers account & an e-gold account.
    Just hire a guy to accept paypal for you and he can send you the money through egold, moneybookers or even Western Union :)
    Hope this info helps
    Momin Malik
     
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  7. eddy2099

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    Usually they would asked for either utility bills, driver's license, bank statement or the likes. It all depends on the circumstances.

    Technically using a proxy to access Paypal is prohibited and can get your account limited. Paypal looks into IP addresses of the login so no matter how you incorporate a US company, it is not going to change the IP access.

    https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=xpt/UserAgreement/ua/USUA-outside#restricted-policy

     
    eddy2099, Apr 18, 2008 IP
  8. Lemley

    Lemley Peon

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    Thanks all for your replies..

    And yes eddy, you are right, I have tried using proxies and the account goes limited..

    Anyways, if everything is fine - The account is in US and someone originally uses from there, will that account go limited as well? Actually, I want to know are people there, who have been using the PayPal (sending, receiving, withdrawing money) and doesn't go limited once after they open their account? Is this the case with anyone?
     
    Lemley, Apr 21, 2008 IP
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    Paypal has a complex tracking system and they can detect anything out of the ordinary. They are also very strict when it comes to the law and all the contractual agreement. If you do not qualify for an account then do not set it up or else you be courting trouble for yourself. At least Paypal does not go pursue the issue in court like what others would do cos in the real world, you can face even more serious consequences.

    What others have done illegally does not make it the right thing to do. I know there are people here who have totally no regrets for anything and probably do not have any conscience and it is really not right to follow their footsteps.
     
    eddy2099, Apr 21, 2008 IP
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    I'm a long time PayPal member,verified with business premier account and also i keep my money in the PayPal money market. I spend a lot of time with PayPal on the phone, because i will be moving to a country that is not supported by PayPal, and they told me that i can't use the account from there. I hope that i can log in with US IP, but I'm not sure.
     
    speed100, Apr 21, 2008 IP
  11. eddy2099

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    Well, actually it is already very clear from your statement as Paypal told you that you cannot use it from an unsupported country then that is pretty much your answer.

    You are also not allowed to use an anonymizing proxy as it is explicitly prohibited by your contractual agreement. So basically don't access your paypal account from an unsupported country unless you want your account to be limited.
     
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  12. Lemley

    Lemley Peon

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    Thanks guyz,

    speed100, just a suggestion for you - I have ready this somewhere, not 100% sure but this seems to be a good idea in your case. If you have all the documents for PayPal and have it already set-up - You can either rent out a US server, logs there in from your computer in an unsupported country and then use your PayPal.. Second thing, would be calling US and connecting to a US ISP from your unsupported country - I hope this will help.. I have read this tricks on quite a few sites and they do work but you can check before doing anything like that.

    Anyways, can someone please answer my question?

    Actually, I want to know is there anyone, who have been using the legitimate PayPal account (sending, receiving, withdrawing money) and doesn't go limited once after he/she open his/her account? Is this the case with anyone? I think, they just limit when you try to withdraw, as soon as you have the payment.. Isn't it?
     
    Lemley, Apr 24, 2008 IP
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    This helps a lot, but how can i do this. I search Google and found nothing that will explain how to do this. Would you please, tell me where i can find this info?
    Thank You
     
    speed100, Apr 24, 2008 IP
  14. eddy2099

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    I would believe that Lemley is trying to say to install a VPN (Virtual private Network) on the US server where you log in remotely on to or either to install a Proxy server on the server and use it to anonymize your log in.

    Just be sure you understand that when Paypal said that you cannot log in from a non-supported country and that you cannot use an anonymizing proxy, it means just that. Getting around it may work but it would be a breach of your contractual agreement.
     
    eddy2099, Apr 25, 2008 IP