Pay Per Play worth it?

Oh i'd say he gets it alright, hes just using this thread to promote his meaningless youtube plays, now thats got to be most stupidest thing ever, hundreds of thousands of plays and 1 comment, yeah that will work

 

Oh ... Oh ... I am getting there ... so you are saying that my previous stats and samples were being way to generous and I should lower the expectations ... the Play Per impression ratio will be even less and your chances of getting a play are reduced and the price paid per impression may be even less ... oh now I am getting there ...

Oh wait a second ... does that make me more money than the entire 100 000 impressions sent per day .... oh so close 100 times the $3.50 would equal a lousy $350 between the total of 37 000 publishers/webmasters .... hahaha wow I didn't realise the daily impressions sent was so bad ...

So what does that equal in financial terms ... $350 devided amongst 37 000 web masters ....

 

Of course he is.....why else would he be selling them links in his sig?

That is very very sad

 

He can sell what he likes, look at what you are promoting! All stupid affilliate links. Grow up.

 

I think its you that needs to cop on, don't fall for that trolls crap...

 

You keep telling us to grow up...... we are all grown ups here.....
Please look at whats happening

 

Look I am out of this thread ... I really do not care for PPP ... $350 dollars daily between the 37 000 Publishers makes me laugh, devide the $350 between the 37 000 publishers and see what that equals. It speaks more than these pushers can combined.

My earnings per day equal 10000 of PPP publishers .... Just keep trying to convince yourself and others that it is worth it. I have earnt enough neg' reps and infractions from this thread.

 

Good, cya

ah.. no support, I guess many don't agree with you.

 

Looks that way by what he said,

 

yeah CIAO, you're very un-professional for an apparent representitive of PPP and NAA ....

Nah ... plenty agree with me, just calling the previous guy a dick head - who was arguing with us a few pages back and who actually got banned earnt me a slap from the mods, then the pointless fighting against morons also gained me another neg' infraction ... so they're actually from the mod's - not supporters.

 

We aim to please, now are you going or not...

 

I'm sorry, but thsadmin and the others have made some good points. About the numbers, I don't know.

Fans of Pay Per Play and other brand sound ads, or not, the bottom line is that most people do not like them. It has been stated, overwhelmingly, here and on other boards.

ste1975, wants to know results from others. I haven't seen any on this board, and on that dumbass site, SitePoint. Unless I missed them?


So the real question that needs to be asked, which I have asked already but didn't get a reply:

Yes, you will make money. I will agree on that one, but if you lose money overtime....


I'm sure this Pay Per Play will indeed sell, obviously, but if most don't like them, which, in turn, will turn some away, does it make sense to use it???

That annoys the affiliates and the owners of such ads here, but, who cares. That is the bottom line.

It would be different if the users are given a choice to click on the ads to start the sound.

Are they???

For you newbies reading this, it's about using common sense.

Isn't it?

 

Yay, someone who agrees
The other thing is that the advertisers wont be able to track the conversion rates from their ads, so they can't track how succesful they are, and for that reason, may (or probably) will choose not to re-invest, unless they see their sales skyrocket.
PPP has it's problems, and without the clickability, it's not going ot take off that much with advertisers anyway.
-G

 

Its also about common sense where this is used. High-pathetically speaking, image your next visit to youtube and you hear an audio ad or some forum backend "User Control Panel" would you leave ?

 

All the ads are traceable to IP address and the websites they are played on.

PS: Perry neither agrees or disagrees, he doesn't have a one track mind, hes well capable of making up his own mind about this discussion.

 

I like that shot of, "high-pathetically." Can I use it some time?

Agreed, but that is a site where we all know sounds will come on. Would I leave? Of couse not. I'm there to see videos, which have sounds.

I don't know, I guess if I wanted such a pay per play ad on my site, I would ask if they can create an ad where it will only play if my visitors clicked on it. I would then type in a good sales pitch underneath it to get them to click on it.

I have seen thumbnail video ads where the sound is off from the get go. The users can see the ad playing, so they will, of couse, THEN turn it on, and then the video automatically starts over, with sound playing.

Now that's an idea. I would warm up to that one real fast.

Other than that, there is no way in hell I would have such an ad that plays automatically.

I'm sorry, man, but because most users do not like them, many webmasters will pass. You simply are not going to get as many sales as you may be hoping for.

But, of course, time will tell.

 

Just received this information regarding Pay Per Play

This has been a big debate here on DP; I have personally always liked the idea….

With the information below I think this may be set for the big time very soon

Any thoughts guys



Our BPA audit is complete and has been released! This is the key we have needed to open the big Advertisers to our network….


The BPA published today his Audit rapport. I came across it on the internet. The rapport can also be viewed on the BPA website at
http://www.bpaww.com/library/statem..._id=64420&rn=bf055beb2099f79d309a2923e6e765b5
But you need to create an account to view it there.



INITIAL INTERACTIVE AUDIT REPORT FOR THE 22 DAY PERIOD ENDING FEBRUARY 14TH, 2008

No attempt has been made to rank the information contained in this report in order of importance, since BPA Worldwide believes this
is a judgment which must be made by the user of the report.

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A not-for-profit organization since 1931,
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board comprising media owners,
advertising agencies and advertisers.
Spanning 25 countries, BPA serves more
than 2,000 B-to-B publications and 500
consumer magazines, plus newspapers,
events, Web sites, email newsletters,
databases, wireless and other advertisersupported
media—as well as more than
2,600 advertiser and agency members.
Visit http://www.bpaww.com for the latest audit
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INITIAL INTERACTIVE AUDIT REPORT FOR THE 22 DAY PERIOD ENDING FEBRUARY 14TH, 2008

No attempt has been made to rank the information contained in this report in order of importance, since BPA Worldwide believes this
is a judgment which must be made by the user of the report.

Voice2Page Communications, Inc.
NetAudioAds.com
5820 Oberlin Drive, Suite 203
San Diego, CA 92121
Phone: (858) 200-2222
Fax: (858) 200-2224
Email:
http://voice2page.com
http://netaudioads.com

PURPOSE
This BPA Worldwide Interactive Audit Report provides an independently verified summary of a census of
Adlet Plays recorded at NetAudioAds.com. This audit report includes verification of Adlet Plays to all
users. All verified counts are based on a census, not sample of Adlet Plays for this product. Adlet Plays
to all users has been audited for counts only as reported separately herein.

PRODUCT INFORMATION
NetAudioAds.com is a network of participating web pages equipped to play short audio ads
automatically to visitors at the time they land on those pages. NetAudioAds.com dynamic Internet audio
is a product of Voice2Page Communications Inc.

INDEPENDENT AUDITORS’ OPINION
BPA Worldwide required and has examined the complete and entire access log files of this product for
the period covered by this report. Samples of extracts of log files are not accepted. BPA’s examination
of Adlet Plays, and accurate tracking by log files was made in accordance with generally accepted audit
standards and accordingly included test and confirmations of actual access by users. BPA Worldwide
used multiple software analysis tools for this audit. Based on such examination, it is BPA Worldwide’s
opinion that the statements set forth in this report present fairly and accurately the Adlet Plays in
conformance with generally accepted auditing principles.

AVERAGE DAILY ADLET PLAYS _________________________________________________________________________________________ 8,446,143

TOTAL ACTIVITY FOR PERIOD
TOTAL
Total Adlet Plays for Audit Period_________________________________________________________________________________ 185,815,154
Unique Listeners______________________________________________________________________________________________ * 27,045,103
Total Publisher Domains _______________________________________________________________________________________ 45,717
Total Publisher Pages__________________________________________________________________________________________ 5,640,212

* Unique Listeners were calculated based on the unique combination of User Agent and IP Address.
** Unique Adlets were not counted in the Initial Audit. This was a preliminary audit with only a silent adlet delivered for testing purposes


Date Day of Week - Adlet Plays - Percentage
Jan 24, 2008 Thursday - 6,996,198 - 3.77
Jan 25, 2008 Friday - 4,623,864 - 2.49
Jan 26, 2008 Saturday - 5,611,361 - 3.02
Jan 27, 2008 Sunday - 5,934,598 - 3.19
Jan 28, 2008 Monday - 6,045,326 - 3.25
Jan 29, 2008 Tuesday - 6,762,301 - 3.64
Jan 30, 2008 Wednesday - 6,959,594 - 3.75
Jan 31, 2008 Thursday - 8,810,466 - 4.74
Feb 1, 2008 Friday - 11,379,599 - 6.12
Feb 2, 2008 Saturday - 8,655,785 - 4.66
Feb 3, 2008 Sunday - 8,287,426 - 4.46
Feb 4, 2008 Monday - 8,824,152 - 4.75
Feb 5, 2008 Tuesday - 8,229,806 - 4.43
Feb 6, 2008 Wednesday - 9,525,448 - 5.13
Feb 7, 2008 Thursday - 5,380,790 - 2.90
Feb 8, 2008 Friday - 10,557,014 - 5.68
Feb 9, 2008 Saturday - 9,503,935 - 5.11
Feb 10, 2008 Sunday - 10,987,136 - 5.91
Feb 11, 2008 Monday - 7,931,221 - 4.27
Feb 12, 2008 Tuesday - 13,360,117 - 7.19
Feb 13, 2008 Wednesday - 11,848,983 - 6.38
Feb 14, 2008 Thursday - 9,600,034 - 5.17
TOTAL - 185,815,154 percentage - 100.00
Unique Adlets Played __________________________________________________________________________________________ **


State Adlet Plays
USA
Massachusetts _______ 1,276,383
Rhode Island_________ 230,553
New Hampshire ______ 246,702
Maine ______________ 280,036
Vermont_____________ 99,434
Connecticut__________ 696,204
New England 2,829,312

New Jersey __________ 1,914,423
New York ____________ 3,757,802
Pennsylvania_________ 2,329,827
Middle Atlantic 8,002,052

Ohio ________________ 2,196,668
Indiana _____________ 1,551,828
Michigan ____________ 1,747,973
Wisconsin ___________ 840,847
Illinois ______________ 2,527,076
East No. Central 8,864,392

Iowa________________ 430,840
Minnesota ___________ 836,798
South Dakota ________ 134,255
North Dakota_________ 107,943
Missouri_____________ 987,412
Kansas _____________ 516,667
Nebraska____________ 309,974
West No. Central 3,323,889

Delaware ____________ 145,203
Washington, DC ______ 269,982
Maryland ____________ 1,035,642
Virginia______________ 1,533,962
West Virginia _________ 324,690
North Carolina________ 1,599,146
South Carolina _______ 646,995
Georgia _____________ 1,868,524
Florida ______________ 3,432,891
South Atlantic 10,857,035


State Adlet Plays
Alabama ___________ 613,671
Tennessee _________ 1,041,424
Mississippi _________ 326,071
Kentucky __________ 736,928
East So. Central 2,718,094

Louisiana __________ 643,813
Arkansas __________ 398,386
Oklahoma__________ 565,553
Texas _____________ 4,122,394
West So. Central 5,730,146

Montana___________ 126,634
Colorado___________ 869,552
Wyoming___________ 76,573
Idaho _____________ 226,753
Utah ______________ 448,746
Arizona ____________ 1,498,676
New Mexico ________ 256,906
Nevada ____________ 569,608
Mountain 4,073,448
California __________ 17,405,107
Hawaii_____________ 329,084
Oregon ____________ 918,798
Washington ________ 1,322,943
Alaska_____________ 114,673
Pacific 20,090,605
USA unknown_______ 1,714,378
USA TOTAL 68,203,351


CANADA
Newfoundland ______ 93,980
Prince Edward Island_ 21,380
Nova Scotia ________ 180,919
New Brunswick _____ 124,543
Quebec ____________ 1,013,690
Ontario ____________ 3,484,340
Manitoba __________ 268,008
Saskatchewan ______ 173,328
Alberta, N.W.T. and
Nunavut ___________ 786,487
B.C. and Yukon______ 1,039,261
Canada unknown____ 14,136
CANADA TOTAL 7,200,072


Country Adlet Plays
Algeria ____________ 279,317
Argentina __________ 1,089,760
Australia___________ 3,065,664
Austria ____________ 439,042
Belgium ___________ 1,355,246
Bosnia and
Herzegovina ________ 272,388
Brazil _____________ 4,915,937
Bulgaria ___________ 1,903,199
Chile ______________ 739,942
China _____________ 4,987,584
Colombia __________ 642,311
Costa Rica _________ 114,480
Croatia (Hrvatska) ___ 1,812,449
Cyprus ____________ 111,297
Czech Republic _____ 1,060,827
Denmark __________ 645,437
Dominican Republic _ 175,799
Ecuador ___________ 108,712
Egypt______________ 4,767,958
Estonia ____________ 246,936
Finland ____________ 737,261
France ____________ 3,246,219
Germany___________ 4,566,995
Great Britain (UK) ___ 10,317,140
Greece ____________ 1,361,570
Hong Kong _________ 1,923,723
Hungary ___________ 1,133,187
India ______________ 3,553,817
Indonesia __________ 1,347,975
Iran _______________ 408,372
Ireland ____________ 681,334
Israel _____________ 725,920
Italy_______________ 2,514,247
Jamaica ___________ 111,878
Japan _____________ 1,195,007
Jordan ____________ 189,145
Korea (South)_______ 442,437
Kuwait ____________ 240,134
Latvia _____________ 280,527
Lithuania __________ 544,355
Macedonia _________ 389,295
Malaysia___________ 2,123,296
Malta _____________ 119,063
Mexico ____________ 2,834,909
Morocco ___________ 898,280
Netherlands ________ 1,981,971
New Zealand
(Aotearoa) _________ 492,763
Norway ____________ 600,051
Pakistan ___________ 386,102
Palestinian Territory,
Occupied __________ 190,958
Peru ______________ 426,813
Philippines _________ 7,342,054
Poland ____________ 1,893,489
Portugal ___________ 1,613,588
Puerto Rico ________ 258,300
Qatar _____________ 205,332
Romania___________ 2,132,627
Russian Federation __ 1,116,265
Saudi Arabia________ 1,182,857
Serbia_____________ 1,928,279
Singapore__________ 1,775,213
Slovak Republic _____ 552,862
Slovenia ___________ 408,966
South Africa ________ 497,048
Spain _____________ 2,199,038
Sweden ___________ 1,109,840
Switzerland ________ 595,587
Taiwan ____________ 1,122,988
Thailand ___________ 1,670,904
Turkey_____________ 2,292,043
Ukraine____________ 432,996
United Arab Emirates 774,707
Venezuela _________ 888,457
Viet Nam __________ 544,845
All Other Countries
(150) _____________ 3,174,417
Total Adlet Plays: 185,815,154

Glossary - NetAudioAds.com / Jan 24 – Feb 14 2008
Terms found within this Report
Adlet An eight second or less audio recording, served to a participating webpage visitor upon landing at that site
Adlet Play The successful request and delivery of an adlet to the listener's browser.
Publisher Domain The domain from which the adlet request is generated.
Publisher Page The page within the Publisher Domain from which the adlet request is generated.
Unique Listener Unique individual or browser which has accessed a Publisher's Domain and has been served an adlet.
Unique Listeners have been calculated based on the unique combination of IP and User Agent..

 

Not this again.

It's just numbers put up. Yeah, and?

You know, man, if you really knew what you were doing when it comes to advertising and promoting, you wouldn't keep hammering this on message boards that don't have that many visitors to begin with, and, especially when practically all don't like these kinds of ads.

Those who have already tried it know the "facts."

Like all the others said on this board and other boards, I don't like going into a site and be immediately hit with a sound ad. And I wouldn't put it in my site, either.

If a guesstimate of over 50% don't like it, common sense says NOT to use it. Duh.

Put in a "click to hear how you can save over $100 a month" ad instead.

I'd use those.

Others have said this, and I'll say it too....common sense.

 

1. Its just numbers put up. Yeah, and?

• It’s more than a number; it’s an audit by BPA Worldwide,

About BPA Worldwide

BPA Worldwide is the only global auditor of media. It is the world’s largest independent, not-for-profit auditor of business to business media offering uniformly applied standards around the world. Now in its 76th year, BPA Worldwide has more than 2600 advertisers and media buyers within its worldwide membership. It audits more than 2500 media properties across 25 countries, including more than 2000 business to business publications.

BPA audits enable media owners to compete successfully for advertising spend by providing media buyers and advertisers with independently audited data. Media buyers and advertisers, in turn, demand such independent metrics as a way of informing their buying decisions and protecting their interests. Third party audits represent the buyer’s only reliable assurance against misleading, exaggerated or even fraudulent claims.

BPA specialises in multimedia audit, including consumer press, newspapers, expos, website, email newsletters, database and other media containing advertising. This includes media circulation on an international or global basis by a publisher in another territory. This ensures comparability for advertisers and media buyers of media across national boundaries.

BPA Worldwide is a founder member of the IFABC.


2. You know, man, if you really knew what you were doing when it comes to advertising and promoting, you wouldn't keep hammering this on message boards that don't have that many visitors to begin with, and, especially when practically all don't like these kinds of ads.

• Please tell me were I am promoting this on this thread? Its old news and you seem to jumping on the bandwagon…I removed Pay Per Play from my sig as I want honest and educated feedback regarding the program….
• Please tell me what the number of visitors has got to do with anything here…..this is webmasters forum and we are here debate about the World Wide Web.

3. Those who have already tried it know the "facts."

• They do, do they? Of course this is your opinion and not everybody’s, I would like to here views of these users that know the facts.

4, If a guesstimate of over 50% don't like it, common sense says NOT to use it. Duh.

• Well that means fewer than 50% do want to use it…. does it not? To me there’s a market even with you in-depth and some what amusing guesstimate,

Summary
at the end of the day this program will go live if you like it or not, as with all new ideas on the web they always come in for criticism, only time will tell, but it is my prediction that pay per play will become a huge success within the internet marketing world, both for advertisers and publishers alike, they have spent huge amounts of money on this program, do you think that they would have done this without conducting any sort of market research 1st?

Ste

 

Very good news! Will be interesting to see what 'big advertisers' come out with the audit results...