Do you have negative experience with PPC search engines? I had some in the past. most of PPC engines provide only IP addresses of the visitor but if someone runs ISP or if they have large network of sites it is very easy to generate "invalid clicks". Do you know a PPC engine you can say it is realiable? I know a few good ones however I can not reccomend any of them as "clean". cheers
I normally avoid direct site marketing with adwords or yahoo as I figure they will encourage user click fraud. However, I do use other services for buying ads direct on sites and it works decent, though I have come across some sites that are obvious frauds.
Google, ypn etc can never stop clcik fraud. All they do is look for the same ip and browser what else can they do? They say click patterns etc but really if you have an auto clicker using a different proxy each click and your using this at different times each day on say 7 different browsers its impossible for them to catch you id rather use adbrite then adwords or ypn.
why do you think adbrite is any more secure? or do you figure there is just less people thus less frauds?
Lets say your advertising on adwords whatever topic, a competitior types that in google and is guaranteed to see your ad. With adbrite there not going to see your ad unless they by chance come by the site your advertising on, even then if they did click it a few times it wouldnt cost you anything, advertising on adbrite is done a set amount weekly/monthly not very many people use adbrite for ppc. Its also very easy to find an average under 0.4 cpc on adbrite in your topic, your not going to get that on adwords or ypn.
I've found the problem with Yahoo is that even if you report multiple clicks from the same IP address they ignore you. Sadly click fraud is part of the revenue model.
thats not true, there are more (safe!) ways to detect clickfrauds - browser, cookies and ip is maybe 10% of what they use to identify users, because all this values are easy to fake. and there are public proxy lists, so it dosnt takes much to ignore all proxy-clicks. even if you know how it works its not easy to generate fake clicks, but i wont give a howto here...
You think adwords and the likes have logs of every single public proxy? Wow sure...Please find me a public proxy list that lists every single public proxy, that would be worth hundreds of thousands if not more, people pay for proxies, you know? Do you even think google would have access to it if there was one? Yeah it goes around forums they have all this special advanced technology to deal with click fraud, it just gets repeated. Click fraud is massive and always will be, why do you think large advertisers account for click fraud in there budgets?
if you use a proxy, then the proxy ip appears in the logs - and it is quite easy to say that there is something wrong if the they get a lot of clicks from the same (proxy-) ip.