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Panda and pinguin updates

Discussion in 'Google' started by W1908, Jul 6, 2012.

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    The pinguin update hit me pretty hard, way more then the panda update.

    Did you had the same experience?
     
    W1908, Jul 6, 2012 IP
  2. danasurvey

    danasurvey Well-Known Member

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    It's Penguin, not Pinguin.

    The updates went after sites pretty hard that were spamming their link, didn't have any real content, or were using other unethical ways to do SEO. Most who did white hat SEO made it through the updates pretty well, but not all.
     
    danasurvey, Jul 6, 2012 IP
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    sueayinde Peon

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    after penguin update over optimized sites were hit.so remover the back links created in past and remains some high quality back links.
     
    sueayinde, Jul 7, 2012 IP
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    DoesntMatter Active Member

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    Penguin update was hit many websites and part of them was good quality. Nowadays you can find many Penguin tips in internet. The most important is to make 50-60% of targeting keywords in your backlink anchors
     
    DoesntMatter, Jul 7, 2012 IP
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    henrywilliams Peon

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    Your website may have some poor quality back links. Track and remove them all.
     
    henrywilliams, Jul 9, 2012 IP
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    shadoze Well-Known Member

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    Their is NO over optimization penalty with Penguin. It is just bad info that has been propogated on too many forums. For every site you can find that you think was hit for over optimization, I can show you 10 that are ranking right at the top that are doing just the opposite. The reality is there is no single reason sites were hit. Also, if you get rid of all your links that Google says are questionable.. You are also not going to get your ranking back. For every link you disavow, you better get a few hundred back.. If you want to know what works, just reverse engineer the really competitive markets and you'll find that most of what people want you to believe occurred with Penguin, just doesn't add up when you look at the real world results.
     
    shadoze, Jul 9, 2012 IP
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    vinnybock Greenhorn

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    I think over optimization has become a target with the recent changes to SEO as a whole. I don't think the fact that some sites dodged a bullet, disproves anything..
    I think the blatantly obvious sites were hit most consistently, ie. all backlinks profiles with the same target keyword anchor, target keyword exact match domain,
    target keyword page title ect.. Sites that OD'd like that were hurt.. If that's not over optimization please let me know what is..

    I'm not being a wise guy, I'd sincerely like to know why you think the OO penalty is just a rumor..

    Thanks, my 1st post BTW...
     
    vinnybock, Jul 9, 2012 IP
  8. shadoze

    shadoze Well-Known Member

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    Vinny, I'm basing my opinion on testing of thousands of sites.. numbers tell a story. There are certainly sites that you could consider to be 'over optimized' that were hit, but the mistake people are making is assuming that is the reason they were hit. It's not. If it were, there wouldn't be any 'bullet dodging" because over optimization is very easy to determine. There are other factors at work. No one can tell you exactly what all those reasons are, honestly I am pretty comfortable saying that Google couldn't tell you all of the reasons things happen. But when you analyze a lot of data over thousands of sites, trends do show through, and the numbers say there is no blanket over optimization penalty. This is an algo that now has so many layers, piled on top of one another, that an action intended to do one thing by Google, is more than likely causing 10 unintended actions. This is why most top SEO's will tell you the algo is broken. Most of the corrections done to really bad SERPS over the past month have been totally manual. Did you see the SERPS for "Payday Loans for a few weeks recently? They were laughable. That was their algo at work. Since then they've been cleaned up, that is human intervention, not the machine.
     
    shadoze, Jul 9, 2012 IP
  9. vinnybock

    vinnybock Greenhorn

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    Thanks for the detailed reply... Believe me, I am well aware you have to be genius to understand the algo if it is understandable at all..

    This is were I got the impression the OO penalty was ALL too real...

    Penguin — April 24, 2012

    After weeks of speculation about an "Over-optimization penalty", Google finally rolled out the "Webspam Update", which was soon after dubbed "Penguin." Penguin adjusted a number of spam factors, including keyword stuffing, and impacted an estimated 3.1% of English queries.
    seomoz. org/google-algorithm-change#view-all

    I can't post live links yet, so u just have to close the space between . and org on the URL...

    Check em out...

    Vinny
    OptimizedWebServices
     
    vinnybock, Jul 9, 2012 IP
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    digitalwebman06 Active Member

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    Penguin didn't hurt me. but Panda damaged some of my top earning sites. I was aware of penguin and actually my sites were not over optimized and also they have a lot of link diversity. that's why I was saved.
    thanks
     
    digitalwebman06, Jul 9, 2012 IP
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    JulioFabiano Peon

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    No i have to not face this problem because our work is seo friendly and give importance make quality back links in search engine. So after google penguin update i left the spamming method for my website. But ranking results are not grow more after this penguin update.
     
    JulioFabiano, Jul 9, 2012 IP
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    May be your website is loaded with keyword stuffing which is affecting your rankings. Also, to stay unaffected with the latest Penguin update in the future – don't use "Black Hat" SEO techniques. Now onwards, Google is able to check every Spam activity performed and also it penalizes the website for over-doing SEO or for enhanced load speed of the website.

    Also check with the other factors that may be affecting your site like -
    1] Image used without description or alt tag
    2] Lack of unique and fresh content
    3] Use of heavy flash apps or images
    4] Or overlooking the Page Rank criteria
     
    softwebsolutions, Jul 11, 2012 IP
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    meki Peon

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    The update was random to discourage marketers and push people out of the SEO business. It worked. I had a few sites that were hit but most were not. Many of mine that were not hit were classic black hat: spun content on site, doorway pages and spammy backlinks. You could say that they are all dodging bullets but the fact is Google isn't targeting sites well. Lots of white hat sites went down including a few of my own.

    Most people who say they weren't affected weren't affected because they weren't getting SEO traffic in the first place.
     
    meki, Jul 11, 2012 IP
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    So do you want to say that people who were used to make use of blackhat method, have not get penalised by the penguin? If you think as that, it is wrong. Because in before time google has set the algorithm that is panda as per the fresh content and natural backlinks. And as per the penguin, sites those are not well developed get penalised by google though they have the better content. So now one need to consider both the factors, well structured site and the quality content and backlinks also.
     
    prcys, Jul 11, 2012 IP
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    koichi1988 Peon

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    buying backlinks now are useless with penguin update.
     
    koichi1988, Jul 16, 2012 IP