I don't mean any disrespect to the original inhabitants of the area. Because its not their country. Their country is in the area we call historic Palestine. http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Palestine-Remembered/Story424.html The link above is for you as well.
This is very good question! They still "insists" that Jerusalem is "one" of their holy cities but it's clearly not, their holy city is mecca! even in their quran Jerusalem doesn't mentioned. Just look at the world and see how many arab countries there is, why the f*** they don't go there and live peacefully? NOBODY WANTS THEM, EVEN EGYPT PREPERD TO THIS WAR AND CLOSED THEIR BORDER (only wounded allowed to enter), they even shot palestinian because he tried to slipp through holes in the border. So I ask, why the f*** all those countries doesn't help them? And just look who's helping them, all the terrorists countries like iran, that gives them weapons and trained them to fight, because iran has interest with this situation, they want that to happend. the palastinians (like hizbullah) is just a "tool" to fight Israel for the iranians. The really big problem is that people doesn't know all the information and they are infectad by their religion and culture and their surroundings, for example, if I was born in gaza I probably grow to hate jews/israel etc. So people just don't think before they "choose side" and know the facts, the side is being choosed for them (and they even don't know it!). BTW, I don't believe that this conflict will be solved one day, too much ignorance ...
You might call it historic Palestine, but "We" do not. The link is referring to forced relocation, I am suggesting the Arab countries around Israel open there arms and welcome and encourage immigration. Garden Grove California is not Viet Nam but many Vietnamese were welcomed by America and they settled and thrive there. How much similar effort are Jordan, Syria, and Egypt providing?
Guess again, NOBODY WANTS THEM, even their allies! example: http://africa.reuters.com/wire/news/usnLS354461.html
That's the whole point of being a sovereign nation. You don't ahve to share with anyone if you don't want to. What specific "country" did they take? Looks like they built a country where there was none before. That's just silly. Actually they do. In fact that whole premise is ridiculous. They don't have to "take" it. it's already theirs. Israel is a sovereign nation with an elected government. The people fighting against them just seem to not have realized that yet. That or they are the ones trying to "take" a country.
will the whole concept of zionist is that Jewish people need their own country to prevent them from being prosecuted in other countries. They believe that they can never be equal in other countries, that is how it started, the idea came in 1800s where this Jewish was wrongly accused of being a spy, and there came a huge anti-Semitic throughout France, and this one guy realized such a small thing caused so much protest and anti-Semitism in France, and that's how he decided Jewish people need their own country. then ww2 happened and throughout Europe Jewish people were killed, and when the Allies won, the three powers gave Israel to the Jewish people. They actually wanted to give Israel to the arab, before the Holocaust. so you see all these problems today were caused by the Europeans and because of their anti-Semitism, so if the Christian Europeans would have gotten along with the Jewish people then the Jewish people would most likely still be in Europe, and the Palestinians would have their land. so it's very unfortunate that the Palestinians are getting screwed because of it.
You realize that you don't know shit about what happened there? And for your question - there was a 'small scale' Israeli vs Palestinian conflict before 1948, where both sides killed each other in small attacks in the 20s and in the 30s. In the 20s the Israelis couldn't really do anything as they hadn't had much, but since then they started arming up and in the 30s they could resist better. Are you calling that terrorist? You have either listened to too much propaganda or you're a Muslim. If you aren't a Muslim - seriously, stop for a second and think. Forget everything you heard, just for a second, and re-review the situation neutrally.
Who is the "we" here? "Historic Palestine" is universally recognised by all, including the British, before the 1948 An-Nakba and expulsion of Palestinians from what is today known as Israel. Palestine today is reduced to the West Bank and Gaza. This is common knowledge, except for avowed Zionists who do not know their history. You are suggesting pretty much the same thing. So if the Palestinians all leave, the goal is to grab all the land they left behind, right? Sorry, but that isn't going to happen anytime soon. Yet Vietnamese have a country of origin called Vietnam which they can go back to. Why should a Palestinian leave his/her country just because someone else wants them to? A Palestinian once told me that they are there to stay and they will defend their right even if it takes them a thousand years to do so. I truly admire their determination.
Bullshit. You're saying that "Palestine is real" by giving me a link to a site that is called "Palestine Remembered" and has tons of propaganda about Israel. I want you personally to show me a source that states that there ever was a formal country with a government that collected tax from the area of Israel and called itself "The government of Palestine" or anything of the sort. You won't find anything about that. You'll only find people referring to that land that is Israel today as "Palestine". Some people will also refer it as Israel. That doesn't mean that there was a country called Palestine - as that never existed. The Romans who conquered that area called it "Providence Philistine" in the name of the Philistines who disappeared 1600 years before Muhammad was even born. If you think I'm lying - Google everything, and show me that I'm wrong by giving me a link to a site showing me a formal country, with a government of some sorts, that is Palestinian and called it "The country of Palestine".
I don't. In fact your idiot friend will be dead in much less than 1,000 years. Normal people are concerned with their own lives, and how to better them. Lobbing missiles at sovereign nations is not a good use of time, nor is it particularly effective.
It is a fact that country named Palestine existed in the 1920s-30s after the fall of the Uthman Empire. You can clearly see Sinai, Palestine and Trans Jordanian on any map from those times (use an Atlas). Reputing such facts is similar to those who still ignore the fact that Israel is currently on the map. Peace,
You've got something there, but it's not completely right. There was never a country called Palestine ruled by Palestinians. There have only been Arabs living in that area, being ruled by someone else. Then, in the 20th century, the century of globalization and world immigration, a lot of Jews immigrated to their holy land. A couple of years later, when those areas were 'ready for independence' - Jordan was created, Lebanon was created, Syria was created, and also - Israel was created. They didn't steal it from anyone, they simply immigrated and became the majority in a time where immigration was very very common. One extremely important point to remember: There was never a Palestinian government that was made out of Palestinians.
The entire area was called "Ash-Shams" and it was under direct Ottomon rule with appointed officials who represent the Ottomon Caliph, just like every section of the Ottomon Empire. If this ridiculous argument is to be used as a basis that "Palestine" does not have any right to exist, that should also apply to all areas which were under direct Ottomon rule. That would mean: A) Albania doesn't have any right to exist B) Serbia doesn't have any right to exist C) Kosovo doesnt have any right to exist D) Egypt doesnt have any right to exist E) All of the countries in the Middle East (e.g. Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Lebanon, etc) doesn't have any right to exist and a host of other nation-states today who were under the Ottomon Empire. You cannot have your cake and not eat it too. Israel did not exist until 1948...you can check that history if you don't want to take my word for it. Who cares about the Romans? That is ancient history and has no relevance to the current issue at hand. I have already provided the British Mandate map of Palestine, the whole area was already recognised as "Palestine" in the 1900s. Just because there was no self-determined "Palestinian government" before 1948 does not mean that there were no such thing as "Palestinians" or a Palestinian culture and lifestyle (ironically, you are calling those people whom you are assaulting in Gaza as Palestinians, this proves that in your mind, you recognise the fact that they are a distinct people who live in Palestine). Likewise, you cannot prove to me that there was an "Israel" before 1948, so it works both ways. Why not take your own advice and do a Google search?
lol, what's your point? Mine is that it doesn't matter how they were founded. The sad and undeniable fact for Palestinians is that it is a country now. Another question for you all to ignore: Radical Islam hates Jews. Let's say through some miraculous military miracle (with a little help from uncle Iran) Hamas pulls this off and Israeli Jews are driven from the holy land..... After that super ego boost, Who do you think islam will turn on in the region then? (Answer: any non-muslims left.) Hate groups like Hamas and Hezbollah cannot exist without someone to hate.... And they're not going to just "go away" if they were to win in Israel. They'd only get stronger.
oh Fuck off Jews are the worst race that ever existed, no wonder only 0.25 % of the world is Jew !! Your disrespected for your little antics, Muslims are only trying to protect themselves from your actions ! Get your facts right and listen to everyone`s views first, I`m pretty sure your reactions are heavily influenced by the terrorist actions, First, these arent muslims, this is not islam, you are getting the wrong image, we are the most peaceful religion there is because these things you see THATS NOT islam, but some people who believe different are ruining everything. Israel has never helped situations, as i said, Worst race ever.
Bingo. Let me even help your claim: Syria, Lebanon and Jordan were under the Ottoman Empire. All have later been under the British and French mandates, just like Israel \ Palestine. They then later gave these countries their independence: A) Jordan B) Lebanon C) Syria D) Israel Which means that Israel if you support all of the other's right to exist, you're also going to have to support Israel - as they're all been given by the French \ British mandates. You cannot have your cake and not eat it too. Exactly, it now exists as a recognized country. Bingo, it has no relevance to the current issue. The current Palestinians are not the ancient Philistines that once were living in Israel alongside the ancient Israelis. I have already provided the British Mandate map of Palestine, the whole area was already recognised as "Palestine" in the 1900s. Just because there was no self-determined "Palestinian government" before 1948 does not mean that there were no such thing as "Palestinians" or a Palestinian culture and lifestyle (ironically, you are calling those people whom you are assaulting in Gaza as Palestinians, this proves that in your mind, you recognise the fact that they are a distinct people who live in Palestine). Likewise, you cannot prove to me that there was an "Israel" before 1948, so it works both ways. Why not take your own advice and do a Google search?[/QUOTE] The British mandate then helped create current Israel, and a Palestinian country was suggested to those who call themselves Palestinians - however, they rejected it in 1947 - FACT. That's a very weak attempt of making you look smarter. I call them Palestinians because there's a certain group that calls itself Palestinians, how else do you want me to refer to them?
Last words ? i think not. You guys seriously need to get your information right for what is Islam and whats not. Having a go at other people`s religion without having full information is the most ignorant thing you can do !