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TOPS30: Some people have no idea the history of TBPR, GDPR, BL or Algo updates. This page gives that history and based on the history it predicts when the next updates will be.

How will this help a person? Well there are a number of ways this can be a help to people. Some people for example are waiting for a PR update for their new pages before they start their Reciprocal link campaign. Reciprocal link pages with higher PR get a better responce than pages that have PR0.

fryman: Well I don't know what they taught you in school but I understand that by taking an average of the number of days between the reoccurance of an event will give you a better idea when the event will reoccure than asking your cat. You feel free to ask you cat, I will average out the days

 

Missing the point again, bobmutch.

There may be some interest in your page detailing when previous Google updates occurred but that's not the issue in question here -- it's your prediction of a specific date for the next update.

That sort of prediction is (1) useless, (2) grandstanding... meant to imply that you have some inside knowledge the rest of the world doesn't have, which is nonsense, and (3) misleading, because while the next PR update may occur on that date I could as easily pick any one of 30-60 other dates and have an equal chance of being correct.

 

Yup, I hardly look at it anymore. Although I can recall staying up late at night when updates would occur and watching it happen...that was when I was a little boy.

The question (to me) really is, what is the difference and how do they relate between 'top ranking in serps'(organic) vs 'importance' (PR)

 

Minstrel: Which point did I miss. I was asked what was the advantage of knowing or perdicting when a TBPR update would happen. I gave a good reason. Some people are waiting for a TBPR update so their reciprocal links pages have PR. So nothing was missed "again" other than you missed that I didn't miss what you though I missed.

Again a prediction is not useless, nor is it grandstanding nor misleading. Prediction are not misleading when they are based on history and stated as being predictions. Predictions are not grandstanding - that is just a lowlevel attach when you have nothing else to prop up your argument. My predictions are based on history. Useless - perhaps to you, but as pointed out not to others.

Homer: I don't think PR matter much in the Ranking algo any more. It still is however an indecation of how many inbound links you have and how many inbound links those links have. No inbound links - those are important.

 

Which point did you miss? Apparently all of them...

But there's really little point in re-stating my previous posts here -- I'm fairly confident they were already clear to the rest of the world and I'm also fairly confident that if you don't get it by now it ain't gonna happen.

 

minsterl: I missed none of the points. I deal with all them in a very clear manner. If your points have not been deal with I suggest you number them and post them and I will deal with them one by one. This way after they have been answer again you can't follow back on the lame excuse - you missed all my points.

In one way you are right on this one. There is little use re-stating your points but the reason is they have been answered. You may not agree with the answers but they have been answer reguardless. I suggest you reread the thread.

I got and understand all your points. I just disagree with them.

 

Hmmm... it sure doesn't seem like it from your posts but whatever...

You certainly do have a right to disagree with me, of course... lord knows I disagree with you

 

I can see both points of view. Knowing when an update will happen, in the grand scheme of things, means didly.

To me it is like a form of worry, which is a useless human emotion that has no affect on the outcome.

 

bobmutch is missing the point though:

When someone makes a pompous statement like "I am predicting an update for March 26th" as he did, it doesn't mean anything at all. It's simply posturing, posing, strutting. He's pretending to be some sort of SEO guru with insider knowledge when in fact the statement is completely meaningless and pointless. Then when challenged on this, he rambles on about his table of previous updates, which wasn't what I was objecting to in the first place.

 

minstrel: Predictions are not pompous, and they don't of have to include posturing, posing or strutting. I am not pretending to be some sort of a SEO guru nor some one with insider knowledge. I took the average of the last few update and posted the date. Its quite simple. How ever I will say this much. To personally attack me and accuse me as you have is very unprofessional.

 

There are people that make a great living doing what you do bobmuch. I have the utmost respect for those that provide an ethical seo service.

My comments are purely my opinion based on my online strategy. I am really alot more concerned about the other 100+ factors that make up Serps

 

Well, if saying that a statement like "I am predicting an update for March 26th" is pompous, posturing, or grandstanding constitutes a personal attack, mea culpa. But it's the truth nonetheless.

 

But enough of this "I said you said" crap -- it's getting old.

 

I would say McDar has a great idea of when an update is happening, most of this update stuff is a bunch of BS anyway since the index updates everyday anyway.

PR updates and prediction of them is an unknown and I think a general waste of time, many experts say that Page Rank is dead anyway.

Michael posted something in another thread that mentioned the toolbar PR and the PR Google uses for the SERP's are much different also so even with this data folks are still in the dark as far as what Google is really doing.

In addition even after the McDar research Compar and others here have done the end result was that they really could not figure out what Google was doing.

 

Yup, I really like the site. But I use it mainly to check keyword rankings across data centres...productive tool and worth my time

 

ministrel: People make predictions in most industries all the time. They usually base them on past history. Weather men do it, sports writers do it, stock brokers do it, police do it and even psychologist make predictions. It's done in most if not all industries.

Are all these people pompous, posturing and gradstanding? I would be supprised if you think that.

I am even guessing that you have make at least a few predictions. When you personally make predictions are you willing to apply to your self the same judgement, that you have been pompous, posturing and gradstanding? I would be suprised if you would.

Or are only people that make predictions you disagree with, pompous, posturing and gradstanding?

I personally hold the view that to subscribe a negitive motive to some one you disagree with for a statement they have made, when you don't subscribe the same motive to yourself or others with whom you agree that have made a same-type statement , is nothing more than a personal attack at the best.

Again I ask you to conduct yourself in a more professional manner.

 

*sigh*

Okay, Bob, now you've made it crystal clear that you DON'T get the point.

If you say, "I think we'll probably see another update sometime in the next 2 to 6 weeks", that's a reasonable statement as well as a "prediction" of sorts. If you say, "I am predicting an update for March 26th", as you did, that is ridiculous posturing and misleading to boot. See the difference?

It's not that I disagree with the "prediction" -- there's nothing to agree OR disagree with since it's preposterous -- it's not a prediction at all -- it's grandstanding, as I said previously.

As for the issue of my professionalism, I suggest you leave that to me and worry about your own.

And now I really am not going to repeat this again -- you don't get it and by now I'm convinced that either you can't get it or you are refusing to get it. Either way, I'm wasting my breath.

 

minstrel: People in most industries made more than just broad predictions. They make pointed predictions all the time. On sports games there is the point spread, in weather there is the tempature, in the stock market there is the price they think a stock will go to. Making prediction that are exact based on past performance again is not pompous, posturing, or grandstanding.

It attribute these motives to some one who makes an exact perdiction based on past performance is a personal attack and unprofessional at the best.

 

OK, we can go on with this forever.....

But I was looking at your page last night with the dates of the Toolbar PR updates Bob.

Can you tell us what the value of this is and post a link to the page so we can look at it.

Next explain the difference between toolbar PR shown on the gauge and it's value to SEO versus the internal PR that Google keeps secret to factor the SERP placement.

 

This predictions talk and analogies reminds me a lot of my due date. I was given a date of May 3rd, but there is a 95% chance that it will be wrong. How helpful is that prediction then? The window can be anywhere from 3 weeks prior! In this case, it gives me a rough estimate, but to call it a prediction of when i'll be giving birth is just silly. The doctors will even admit this. All that date is, is 40 weeks - they even admit that it's a rough estimate. If my doctor was able to give me an exact date right now (aside from a C sectin or inducing), I would find another doctor, it's not something that can be done.

The date of March 26 is the same thing, a rough estimate based on past updates (even though those go on for more then just one day). There is still a range to this, making it less of an exact prediction and more of a best guess time frame.

Just my 2 cents