I have 9 in the number one, and over 30 that rank the top 10 (first page) for a given keyword of my PR0 sites. So the answer is, PR does not necessarily = higher in the SERPs. Is that what you are trying to say?
Hey TOPS et al ... I agree with what you guys are saying! I just wanted to share an example of one site with a "visible" PR0 that was ranking well. I agree that there are not very competitive terms but thats how it goes and thats how people make a buck. Find a niche and capitalize! (hopefully he will). I have to admit that in the past I really did not pay much attention to PR and just recently started paying attention just because all the hype around it. When SEOing, I tend to concentrate on the basics and do them well. I've alway been successful this way. cheers Frank
Seems to me the biggest benefit of PR is that you can sell links to those who still think it's important.
My point is PR means everything.. not toolbar pr but internal pr... The reason a pr0 page ranks high is probably because it belongs on a high pr site with high pr links pointing to it. This means that the internal pr is actually much higher than 0. Everytime I see this, I go to the home page of the site and find its a high ranking site. Sometimes you do see a true pr5 out rank a pr6.. then it gets down to anchor text and other factors.. but when all things being equal, internal pr is king...... It was the basis of google years ago and is more than likely still the basis. This is not to be confused with toolbar pr which really means that a page was at this pr at the last time it was updated.. (months ago)... And a new page can be created after an update and get a toolbar pr of 0 but get a much higher internal pr.
I'd have to agree with this explanation and say that to me, it seems pretty much on the mark in every aspect!
I would also completely agree with this. Internal PR is still a very heavy factor in determining rankings IMO. BLs and Anchor text do help the rankings (no doubt) and yes, they do "cause" the PR at the end of the day. But, the major action and big jumps take place when internal PR is updated.
Most of the time, with the exception of new sites or major algorithm changes, I doubt that the difference between Toolbar PR and "real" PR is that large. And the fact is that there are many examples of lower PR pages outranking higher PR pages for pages with quite stable PR. I'm not trying to argue that PR isn't important -- I'm simply pointing out that it's far from the only factor and, in certain cases for certain keywords, is not the most important factor.
This seems to hold true for large sites like Amazon etc. Almost as if in the event Google can't base a page's relevancy on IBLs to this very page it goes to 'plan B' and has a peek at the homepage. But it wouldn't make sense to just base it on the site's PR since having a high PR homepage doesn't mean anything for relevancy for the search query in question. I'm not convinced it is the internal or behind-the-scenes PR that determines ranking for these pages though. There's also this 'new content' boost we see over and over again which might have to do with it. This could also be where theming comes in. If this page with lack of linkage info is the same (on-page) theme as the rest of the site then its ranking could be based on that. All speculation since it's hard to find solid proof unfortunately.
Everyone seems to be missing the fact that the PR you see isn't the PR of the site/page - except perhaps just after a PR update. The chances of there being a genuine PR0 at #1 is very slim imho. afaict, PR0 happens if a) the site is new (ie still sandboxed) b) the site has very very few BL's c) the site is penalised. In each of the above cases there is little or no chance of a #1 position.
Site with a PR0 doesn't mean that it's penalised. Every page starts with PR1, but depending of your site structure page rank might be lower than 1 so Toolbar PR "Snapshot" might show 0.
Isn't the bottom line sticking to the well published SEO guidelines? In my view PR is just an indication of how well you have done your homework about SEO and how well you've implemented it for your site.
Not exactly. PR doesn't have anything to do with anchor text, keywords, etc, which are all important parts of SEO. PR has to do with # backlinks and the PR of the pages they come from, which is only one part of SEO strategy.
Partly agree with this. Anchor text is important, yes. But, PR is still very important imo. Keyword density etc. is important only if your site is fairly new and has a low PR. As in this case, your site will need to get everything else right ....... keyword density, anchor text et al. But once you have a high enough PR, all you need to do is have a keyword or two on a single page on your site and viola! Great Rankings!! Here's an example: Try searching for "solar cells". Returns 4.5 million results. The top site is www.howstuffworks.com. Now, try doing an allinanchor: for solar cells. You'll see 5 results, out of which 4 are internal links. So, I don't think you can give anchor text credit for their ranking. Also, the ensite site is not related to solar cells, just that page (or maybe a couple of others if you have a look for them). So, top rankings don't depend on the theme of site, just the PR (important factor) and other factors of that particular page For the TSPR worshippers ...... how many solar cell sites do you think link to this one. Well, not many using the "solar cells" anchor text anyway. So, IMO if you focus on getting links and getting your PR up, you wouldn't have to worry about the other "small stuff". They have a PR8 site and I doubt if they spend their time experimenting with keyword density, anchor text etc. I am not saying that anchor text is not important .... just saying that it's not as big a factor as PR. Secondly, if you have an option of getting a PR3 link from an unrelated site or a PR3 from a related site, go for a link from a related site as you will not only gain from that site's PR but also from whatever traffic you might get from there. Finally, IMO a PR3 link from a PR4 site is less powerful than a PR3 link from a PR5 (or higher PR site).
Definitely not justicewhite, please don't think like that. I can show you so many sites with high PRs that they even don't know what SEO is and even no metatags or optimized pages what so ever.
joeychgo: The toolbar PR you have is a indecation of the number of IBLs you have and the number of IBLs that those links have. So you will not see many sites ranking high with PR0 because IBL have alot of ranking weight. It is the IBL links that make a site rank high not the PR that comes with the IBLs.
I'm in two minds about this. I've seen quite a few examples where a single IBL from a decent PR page will generate good rankings. An example. Perhaps it's also the fresh content boost, but several weeks ago we launched a new page comparing two companies offering sim cards. I'd consider 'sim cards' a competitive term; 4,5 million results and plenty of people optimising for it. With only one IBL from one of our internal PR5 pages, we now rank 18th for 'sim cards' (yeah, I know, not fantastic, but pretty good considering the term). And yes, the sim cards page still has a PR0 (although toolbar is of course meaningless). I'm convinced that if that same link was from some PR1 page, we would not be ranked as well. Who knows whether the 'fresh' filter will kick us out soon, but so far we've only been going up for that phrase. Then again, maybe our on page optimisation is what's working for us
daamsie: 'sim cards' is geting 12600 on Overtures PPC db so it is pretty competitive. It is possible that you are getting the new page boost and it will not say at 18th. I don't think toolbar is meaning less. I think it is old (Jan 1st) but not meaningless. I hold that real PR is calculated every 30 days or so or when ever there is a GDPR or BL update so the page probable has no real PR either. Let us know what happens to the page in 15 to 30 days.