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Page <title> length - what's too long?

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by Labcoat88, Jul 19, 2005.

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    How long can a <title> tag be before it either hurts you, or the excess just gets ignored? Google SERP's only show the first ~ 65 characters, so does that mean they only "count" that portion of the title in the index and/or results ranking?
    SEMrush
    thanks
    LC
     
    Labcoat88, Jul 19, 2005 IP
    SEMrush
  2. Smyrl

    Smyrl Tomato Republic Staff

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    Don't know answer but it seems like first three words in my titles carry the most punch. What do others of you think?

    Shannon
     
    Smyrl, Jul 19, 2005 IP
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    lorien1973 Notable Member

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    I'm not so sure it matters anymore. I see lots of sites where the keywords are buried 2-3 words deep and they still rank well for a given term. Problem is, everything is a function of link popularity, so more links still wins if you don't have the best page title.
     
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  4. Labcoat88

    Labcoat88 Peon

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    #4
    My longest page title is 11 words (and I think I once read somewhere to keep titles <= 12 words). I'm indexed/ranked well, but always looking to learn more and improve.

    Johann's point about link popularity/PR is well taken.

    thanks
    LC
     
    Labcoat88, Jul 19, 2005 IP
  5. honey

    honey Prominent Member

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    I would say 60-80 characters works perfect.
     
    honey, Jul 19, 2005 IP
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    Anything that is excesives to describing the page is too much. Titles are for accessibility. Don't make your page inaccessible.
     
    someonewhois, Jul 19, 2005 IP
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    You gotta think of the users as well. If I look at the first page SERPS, I definitely won't click on a webpage with a spammy title.

    Gotta strike a balance with attractiveness as well.
     
    End, Jul 19, 2005 IP
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    Just think on what "title" means... and use it for that. A title is not a description of your site. A few words should be more than enough.
     
    fryman, Jul 20, 2005 IP
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    #9
    taken from meta tag myths e-book...

    Despite this articles title recommendations Ive written titles allot longer and they have been unmoved from #1 in google for nearly 2 years now, it can be over 66 characters and still rank well but the whole title won't be displayed in the SE listing.
     
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    Don't forget a title should also make a user want to click your page...

    having titles stuffed with keywords may do more harm than good. My tags are very simple:

    Keyword at my site.com or something.
     
    lorien1973, Jul 20, 2005 IP
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    My experience shows that a short keywork rich title is best. If you have 10 words, each word get's 1/10 value for title, if there are 2 words, 1/2 value for title...an so on
     
    prowess, Jul 20, 2005 IP
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    I like to keep titles short. I often tend to use the site name and a few words describing its content/service.
     
    alpha5th, Jul 20, 2005 IP
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    Yeah, the more words you have there, the less weight is on each word.
     
    someonewhois, Jul 21, 2005 IP
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    <Title> is the key for any website. As much as attractive it is, more clicks you get. It should be not so spamy. Write title using 60- 70 characters. Don't write main targeted keyword directly. Use phrases and repeat main word atleast 2 time in that to make proper density.

    This is my opinion.

    Thanks
     
    webmaster, Jul 21, 2005 IP
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    80 Characters should be the maximum. This includes spaces. And don't try and stuff it with keywords either. Make sure your audience can understand it.
     
    bubbrubb, Jul 27, 2005 IP
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    I have found that 5-7 word title work best with the target keyword in the beginning or near the beginning
     
    ladesignz, Jul 28, 2005 IP
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    While of the subject... can I ask ... how important is it to list your meta tags in a perticular order...

    I know that the <title> should be first and then the <description> but what would be the ideal order to set ones meta tags... or does it matter all that much after the first two... thanks
     
    ElvisFan, Jul 28, 2005 IP