Overpopulation: Will this finally be the cause of ww3?

Don't you think that god made enough sources for everyone and for any kind of population in this world at anytime, don't you agree the sources are being abused by few groups of people.

For example, when i football player, an actor or a singer has XXXXXX money and in the same times XXXXXX people in some region are starving who's mistake is that.

It has nothing to do with population getting increased or decreased, its all about the world system and the same regime to group people either to rich or poor, no mediation between them.

This is not religion or god mistake.

 

Earth is finite. Resources are finite. Our Planet cannot support infinite growth in population. Infinite progress is impossible.

You have observed that a football player or actor or singer makes a lot more money that an average guy. But these people are not stealing money from you. They have earned it. They provide a service which people want, in this case, its entertainment. This is the free market.

People are starving because there are insufficient resources. Stopping the free market is not the answer. Redistribution of wealth is not the answer. Because if you redistribute wealth, and take from the productive rich and give it to the poor unproductive, then the whole world would be poor. Money is not real. Its just an idea. The value of money depends on productivity. Its just a bunch of paper or digits on a computer.

 

Plus we have people just multiplying like rabbits. I knwo some extremist catholics that have 12 kids in the familyand wanna try for more. If everyone thought like this pretty soon we would have people piled on top of people. Wheres the moderation?

 

Pingpong123, you are right about this type of mentality. Not just Catholics, Muslims in India, UK and Europe have this kind of mentality. I guess all religion in this world has lot to do with multiplying like rabbits.

 

You can't just blame religion for having too many kids though.

First there's a love of kids.
I know a few non-religious large families. It seems to me that they simply love their kids, love having someone to look after and love the large welfare cheques.

Then there's the government.
Our government also introduced a $3,000 baby bonus to ensure our population growth. Kids used to say I'll wait till i'm older and our population was getting smaller. Now, with a big bonus, they pop them out at 16 knowing there's 3 grand in it straight away and a mothers pension for the first 16 years of life.

Our population was growing older, which, according to the government, meant there wasn't enough of the younger generation to look after the older generation. Their argument is that 5 million kids (the next working generation) doesn't generate enough money to look after 20 million old folks which I guess does make sense.

 

Those charts are interesting gauharjk, especially how they relate the population explosion to the discovery of oil.

 

Yes, it is quite a worrying development. We are quickly running out of cheap energy to run our industrial civilization.

Current Global Energy Production: No substitutes can replace fossil fuels at the same scale & rate at which the world currently use them​

 

Gauharjk, have you seen this 100% electric car made by Tesla Motors?



I believe that in the next few years, electric cars will become common.

Edit: It says here that 2/3rds of the United States foreign oil consumption is tied directly to transportation.

 

I had seen an interview with the founder of Tesla motors on Dave Letterman show --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiJJKBbg4TA&feature=player_embedded

Tesla Roadster has an excellent range, almost 250 miles... Amazing...

But the point is, how many cars can Tesla make? Even if they could make millions of new cars and their competitors also made these electric cars, then the question comes, how do you replace the millions of cars already on the road?

Billions have been spent on gas-powered cars infrastructure, especially the fuel-pumping stations. How do you upgrade all those to allow recharging vehicles? How much would that cost? What would be the cost of retraining all the mechanics out there who repair and maintain vehicles?

And the biggest question would be, how much time do we have before the shit hits the fan?

 

It will be gradual. IMO, electric cars will be very popular because most Americans are tired of unreliable and fluctuating gas prices. In addition, the majority of Americans would probably prefer to pay American companies that produce electric cars and accessories, rather than to foreign countries such as Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, and Nigeria. As an added bonus, Obama is providing a $7,500 tax break for everyone that buys an electric car.

I don't know, I guess time will tell.

Here's part of a speech made by Obama in Mar 09 regarding electric cars and renewable energy...

 

Detroit electric is coming out with a 4 door all electric car that gets 110 miles per charge for 24 grand and another one with a 200 miles charge for 30 grand. The first one looks like it can reasonably replace many gas powered 4 door cars. http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-10206089-54.html

This is due to come out in europe and asia during quarter 1 2010 and the american version in quiarter 3 of 2010.

 

Overpopulation seems to be a real problem in the US and its energy and trade policy certainly isn't helping the situation.

When oil becomes unavailable, all those suburbs, mini-malls, fancy high schools with parking lots, mcmansions, and big box retailers are going to be in a world of hurt.

Americans don't learn until it's too late.

I guess, people don't learn until it's too late.

The United States had decades, at least since the 1970s, to prepare for this. And, yet, what did it do but squander the time.

 

The US has 500 years supply of coal, oil shale, and plenty of nuclear.

The issue is road/bridge maintenance which is money that we don't have.

Lowering the consumption of meat/dairy can increase the carrying capacity of the world.

 

That's true. Even if people don't want to become vegetarians, if they just reduced the meat intake, it would make a difference.

 

The US has exhausted its high-grade coal.

Oil shale is not high-grade crude.

And, nuclear does not provide enough of the energy demands of the country.

Why are the energy demands so high while the production so low?

Too many people sucking up the juice on wasteful or inefficient activities (sports, entertainment, wars, government/corporate bureaucracies, extravagant lifestyles, etc.)

More people without more resources leads to a lower standard of living and eventually poverty.

As energy productivity declines, population worldwide MUST decline also. Or, else, everyone will be miserable.

 

People even if we solve the energy and food problem this might make things even worse because that means less people die and that means more people to cover the earth till the point that we wont have any place to get any privacy or even walk without bumping into anyone. If our world leaders can just stop bickering and turn into real human beings and work together theywill see that the only true solution is colonization of other places like the moon, mars and eventually other earth like planets in other galaxies. That is the only truely realistic long term solution.

Dodara, this has nothing to do with god. It has to do with our common sense. God said to populate the earth but he didnt say over populate the earth. This is "populate the earth" on steroids. Extremism for any cause is still extremism.

 

We need to build up. There's also plenty of land in the deserts but we need to figure a low cost way to divert water there.

 

That is still not dealing with the essential problem - we need to stop crapping past the point of return on a finite resource. Simply moving where we haven't crapped to a new finite place to crap doesn't alter what at this point seems ineluctable, absent some serious changes in mindset.

 

The Sahara covers over 9,000,000 square kilometers (3,500,000 sq mi) making it almost as large as the United States. During the last ice age, the Sahara was covered with forest, grassland and lakes. If we could get water to it as well as the other deserts of the world, we could create a new world similiar to what Columbus discovered in 1492.

 

Exactly, there has to be some moderation. What happens after we populat the desert areas? Either we put our differences aside and put all our resources together to eventually travel to and populate other worls or we learn to curb our desire to over populate this one.
We have taken the " go forth and multiply" statement to an extreme.